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AFI's second 100 Best List - do you agree?
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Last nights CBS TV special of the AFI top 100 of the past 100 years - 10th anniversary was a no brainer but interesting to see that again Citizen Kane again came in number one.  The dvd of that title also has Roger Ebert and Peter Bogdanovich seperately on commentary., Recommended but voted number one twice in ten years??
1 CITIZEN KANE 
2 GODFATHER, THE 
3 CASABLANCA 
4 RAGING BULL 
5 SINGIN' IN THE RAIN 
6 GONE WITH THE WIND 
7 LAWRENCE OF ARABIA 
8 SCHINDLER'S LIST 
9 VERTIGO 
10 WIZARD OF OZ, THE 
11 CITY LIGHTS 
12 SEARCHERS, THE 
13 STAR WARS 
14 PSYCHO 
15 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY 
16 SUNSET BLVD. 
17 GRADUATE, THE 
18 GENERAL, THE 
19 ON THE WATERFRONT 
20 IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE 
21 CHINATOWN 
22 SOME LIKE IT HOT 
23 GRAPES OF WRATH, THE 
24 E.T. THE EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL 
25 TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD 
26 MR. SMITH GOES TO WASHINGTON 
27 HIGH NOON 
28 ALL ABOUT EVE 
29 DOUBLE INDEMNITY 
30 APOCALYPSE NOW 
31 MALTESE FALCON, THE 
32 GODFATHER PART II, THE 
33 ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST 
34 SNOW WHITE AND THE SEVEN DWARFS 
35 ANNIE HALL 
36 BRIDGE ON THE RIVER KWAI, THE 
37 BEST YEARS OF OUR LIVES, THE 
38 TREASURE OF THE SIERRA MADRE, THE 
39 DR. STRANGELOVE 
40 SOUND OF MUSIC, THE 
41 KING KONG 
42 BONNIE AND CLYDE 
43 MIDNIGHT COWBOY 
44 PHILADELPHIA STORY, THE 
45 SHANE 
46 IT HAPPENED ONE NIGHT 
47 STREETCAR NAMED DESIRE, A 
48 REAR WINDOW 
49 INTOLERANCE 
50 LORD OF THE RINGS: THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING, THE 
51 WEST SIDE STORY 
52 TAXI DRIVER 
53 DEER HUNTER, THE 
54 M*A*S*H 
55 NORTH BY NORTHWEST 
56 JAWS 
57 ROCKY 
58 GOLD RUSH, THE 
59 NASHVILLE 
60 DUCK SOUP 
61 SULLIVAN'S TRAVELS 
62 AMERICAN GRAFFITI 
63 CABARET 
64 NETWORK 
65 AFRICAN QUEEN, THE 
66 RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK 
67 WHO'S AFRAID OF VIRGINIA WOOLF? 
68 UNFORGIVEN 
69 TOOTSIE 
70 CLOCKWORK ORANGE, A 
71 SAVING PRIVATE RYAN 
72 SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION, THE 
73 BUTCH CASSIDY AND THE SUNDANCE KID 
74 SILENCE OF THE LAMBS, THE 
75 IN THE HEAT OF THE NIGHT 
76 FORREST GUMP 
77 ALL THE PRESIDENT'S MEN 
78 MODERN TIMES 
79 WILD BUNCH, THE 
80 APARTMENT, THE 
81 SPARTACUS 
82 SUNRISE 
83 TITANIC 
84 EASY RIDER 
85 NIGHT AT THE OPERA, A 
86 PLATOON 
87 12 ANGRY MEN 
88 BRINGING UP BABY 
89 SIXTH SENSE, THE 
90 SWING TIME 
91 SOPHIE'S CHOICE 
92 GOODFELLAS 
93 FRENCH CONNECTION, THE 
94 PULP FICTION 
95 LAST PICTURE SHOW, THE 
96 DO THE RIGHT THING 
97 BLADE RUNNER 
98 YANKEE DOODLE DANDY 
99 TOY STORY 
100 BEN-HUR
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I'm always suspicious of polls like this, cos I get the feeling people tend to vote for the films they feel they should be voting for, rather than the films they enjoyed the most.
And what the hell is Titanic doing on there? 

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Doesn't surprise me that Citizen Kane is still number 1 at all. It remains the single best film ever created. I might quibble over the placement of some of the titles in the list but in general, itlooks right to me.

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And what the hell is Titanic doing on there? 



I hope they're referring to the 1953 version of the film and not the tripe with Leonardo DeCrapio.
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I can think of no other film that I can watch as repeatedly as I can Citizen Kane. I find the film entertaining, beautiful, and deep with meaning. The history of Welles future as a director and actor was set during this, his first film.

Definitely my favorite film of all time.
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I hope they're referring to the 1953 version of the film and not the tripe with Leonardo DeCrapio.


There's 3 titles (that I've noticed) for which they don't specify the version.  Titanic, Ben Hur and King Kong.
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Of the Top 100, I own 50 of them.  Guess I'd better get on the ball and get the rest .
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I'm always suspicious of polls like this, cos I get the feeling people tend to vote for the films they feel they should be voting for, rather than the films they enjoyed the most.


Hmm, whilst I tend to agree I know I. for one, really enjoy some films which are absolute trash so, to a certain extent, it would not be correct to vote for ones you enjoyed most but those you thought were 'best'.

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For someone who just complained about people not voting for films they enjoyed most, and Titanic is a film that a lot of people (half the population it seems...) enjoy, I think you're trying to have this both ways!
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And what the hell is Titanic doing on there? 



I hope they're referring to the 1953 version of the film and not the tripe with Leonardo DeCrapio.

Yup it is the 1997 Titanic, ..,,, I was super surprised that 59's Ben Hur came in so high,, Maybe we are all getting tired of Chuck and his National Rifle stance....
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I was happy to see "Blade Runner","The Last Picture Show", "12 Angry Men", "All the President's Men", "Nashville", "The General" and "The Shawshank Redemption" get added to the list.

I was happy to see "Dances With Wolves", "My Fair Lady", and "An American in Paris" come off of the list.

Where is "Dog Day Afternoon", "The Sting", "L.A. Confidential", "Touch of Evil", and "Frankenstein"; and why is "The Sixth Sense" the only horror film (unless you count Jaws or Psycho), I can think of 10 more deserving?

All in all, a pretty good list: I own 75 of them; "Titanic" not being one of them...
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I watched the show last night, it was interesting to hear actor's commentary on which movies were inspirational or why they loved them. I wonder how the list was formulated - does anyone know who is involved in the voting process? I'm also curious to what the original list of top 100 movies were - does anyone have that list? I own quite a few of the movies that made the list and will be adding more to my collection - as if I needed an excuse to buy more movies!
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I watched the show last night, it was interesting to hear actor's commentary on which movies were inspirational or why they loved them. I wonder how the list was formulated - does anyone know who is involved in the voting process? I'm also curious to what the original list of top 100 movies were - does anyone have that list? I own quite a few of the movies that made the list and will be adding more to my collection - as if I needed an excuse to buy more movies!


all the info is here at this site.., in order to download the list to adobe you have to log in, but I believe you can view them on line.
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Here is the original list.


                                            American Film Institute
                              Top 100 American Films Of The 20th Century

                                                  1. "Citizen Kane," 1941
                                                  2. "Casablanca," 1942
                                                  3. "The Godfather," 1972
                                                  4. "Gone With the Wind," 1939
                                                  5. "Lawrence of Arabia," 1962
                                                  6. "The Wizard of Oz," 1939
                                                  7. "The Graduate," 1967
                                                  8. "On the Waterfront," 1954
                                                  9. "Schindler's List," 1993
                                                  10. "Singin' in the Rain," 1952
                                                  11. "It's a Wonderful Life," 1946
                                                  12. "Sunset Boulevard," 1950
                                                  13. "The Bridge on the River Kwai," 1957
                                                  14. "Some Like it Hot," 1959
                                                  15. "Star Wars," 1977
                                                  16. "All About Eve," 1950
                                                  17. "The African Queen," 1951
                                                  18. "Psycho," 1960
                                                  19. "Chinatown," 1974
                                                  20. "One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest," 1975
                                                  21. "The Grapes of Wrath," 1940
                                                  22. "2001: A Space Odyssey," 1968
                                                  23. "The Maltese Falcon," 1941
                                                  24. "Raging Bull," 1980
                                                  25. "E.T. ? The Extra?Terrestrial," 1982
                                                  26. "Dr. Strangelove," 1964
                                                  27. "Bonnie and Clyde," 1967
                                                  28. "Apocalypse Now," 1979
                                                  29. "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington," 1939
                                                  30. "The Treasure of the Sierra Madre," 1948
                                                  31. "Annie Hall," 1977
                                                  32. "The Godfather Part II," 1974
                                                  33. "High Noon," 1952
                                                  34. "To Kill a Mockingbird," 1962
                                                  35. "It Happened One Night," 1934
                                                  36. "Midnight Cowboy," 1969
                                                  37. "The Best Years of Our Lives," 1946
                                                  38. "Double Indemnity," 1944
                                                  39. "Doctor Zhivago," 1965
                                                  40. "North by Northwest," 1959
                                                  41. "West Side Story," 1961
                                                  42. "Rear Window," 1954
                                                  43. "King Kong," 1933
                                                  44. "The Birth of a Nation," 1915
                                                  45. "A Streetcar Named Desire," 1951
                                                  46. "A Clockwork Orange," 1971
                                                  47. "Taxi Driver," 1976
                                                  48. "Jaws," 1975
                                                  49. "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs," 1937
                                                  50. "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid," 1969
                                                  51. "The Philadelphia Story," 1940
                                                  52. "From Here to Eternity," 1953
                                                  53. "Amadeus," 1984
                                                  54. "All Quiet on the Western Front," 1930
                                                  55. "The Sound of Music," 1965
                                                  56. "M*A*S*H," 1970
                                                  57. "The Third Man," 1949
                                                  58. "Fantasia," 1940
                                                  59. "Rebel Without a Cause," 1955
                                                  60. "Raiders of the Lost Ark," 1981
                                                  61. "Vertigo," 1958
                                                  62. "Tootsie," 1982
                                                  63. "Stagecoach," 1939
                                                  64. "Close Encounters of the Third Kind," 1977
                                                  65. "The Silence of the Lambs," 1991
                                                  66. "Network," 1976
                                                  67. "The Manchurian Candidate," 1962
                                                  68. "An American in Paris," 1951
                                                  69. "Shane," 1953
                                                  70. "The French Connection," 1971
                                                  71. "Forrest Gump," 1994
                                                  72. "Ben?Hur," 1959
                                                  73. "Wuthering Heights," 1939
                                                  74. "The Gold Rush," 1925
                                                  75. "Dances With Wolves," 1990
                                                  76. "City Lights," 1931
                                                  77. "American Graffiti," 1973
                                                  78. "Rocky," 1976
                                                  79. "The Deer Hunter," 1978
                                                  80. "The Wild Bunch," 1969
                                                  81. "Modern Times," 1936
                                                  82. "Giant," 1956
                                                  83. "Platoon," 1986
                                                  84. "Fargo," 1996
                                                  85. "Duck Soup," 1933
                                                  86. "Mutiny on the Bounty," 1935
                                                  87. "Frankenstein," 1931
                                                  88. "Easy Rider," 1969
                                                  89. "Patton," 1970
                                                  90. "The Jazz Singer," 1927                                                 
                                                  91. "My Fair Lady," 1964
                                                  92. "A Place in the Sun," 1951
                                                  93. "The Apartment," 1960
                                                  94. "Goodfellas," 1990
                                                  95. "Pulp Fiction," 1994
                                                  96. "The Searchers," 1956
                                                  97. "Bringing Up Baby," 1938
                                                  98. "Unforgiven," 1992
                                                  99. "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner," 1967
                                                  100. "Yankee Doodle Dandy," 1942
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I think the latest list accurately reflects the opinions of the current members of AFI and a bit of marketing on the part of the studios/DVD companies. Although it's an excellent film, how else can you explain the addition of a title like Sunrise? Until the DVD release, it was a fairly obscure title which very few of us even knew about. If Fox hadn't released this to DVD, it would not be on the latest AFI list either. Just wait till "Wings" is released (same production year and silent too). People have a difficult time voting for a film they have never seen.

This list is not at all surprising to me and I think it's a reasonable representation of the top 100 American films. Of course, my list would be a bit different but I'm just one person.
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There were 23 removals and additions between the old list and the new. They are:

REMOVED
All Quiet on the Western Front
Amadeus
An American in Paris
The Birth of a Nation
Close Encounters of the Third Kind
Dances with Wolves
Doctor Zhivago
Fantasia
Fargo
Frankenstein
From Here to Eternity
Giant
Guess Who's Coming to Dinner
The Jazz Singer
The Manchurian Candidate
Mutiny on the Bounty
My Fair Lady
Patton
A Place in the Sun
Rebel Without a Cause
Stagecoach
The Third Man
Wuthering Heights

ADDED
12 Angry Men
All the Presidents Men
Blade Runner
Cabaret
Do the Right Thing
The General
In the Heat of the Night
Intolerance
The Last Picture Show
Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
Nashville
A Night at the Opera
Saving Private Ryan
The Shawshank Redemption
The Sixth Sense
Sophie's Choice
Spartacus
Sullivan's Travels
Sunrise
Swing Time
Titanic
Toy Story
Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
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It looks like I have about 50 of those.  I have no problem with most of the changes.  It's only some people's opinions, not an exact science.  If they did it again next month, I'd expect the list to change slightly.  And it's been 10 years.
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