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I got the Sony BluRay player for Christmas, and I'm thinking about returning it and spending the extra cash to get a PS3.

My question, would I be better off keeping the player? Will it give better picture than the PS3?
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They'll both give the same picture. The only real difference(s) would be that the PS3 will probably load faster whereas the other one has analog audio outputs.

Of course, the PS3 can play games, is constantly updated, blah blah blah.
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Quoting Althalus:
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I got the Sony BluRay player for Christmas, and I'm thinking about returning it and spending the extra cash to get a PS3.

My question, would I be better off keeping the player? Will it give better picture than the PS3?


I personally prefer the PS3 because:
1) I am 99% sure no matter what changers are made to blu-ray it will be able to upgrade
2) Can play other media such as XVID and DIVX (not sure about stand alone players)
3) Someone told me the PS3 plays games   My is just a blu-ray player
4) If you really want to you have web surfing as well.  I guess it will play YouTube videos now as well.
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I somehow doubt that Sony won't update their player anymore, Blu-ray is their prestige object
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I personally use a PS3 as my BluRay player, and I find it great. As a games console generally has a much longer life-cycle than a standalone DVD/BR player, I also expect a longer maintenance period for firmware updates: how annoying is it when a newer model of player is released, and the frequency of updates for your "Older Generation" player slows down to a trickle and then stops? 

Anyway, I will try to list what I see as the Pros/Cons between the two:-

PS3
PROS:
- Flexible architecture means less hardware limits and so greatly assists (although not a guarantee) future compatibility. Example: PS3 was successfully upgraded from Profile 1.0 to 1.1 and then to Profile 2.0 [the first 2.0 player, I think]
- Full support for all current audio formats (DolbyHD, DTS-HD MA, etc.)
- Local hard disk is upgradable, so nearly "unlimited" local storage capacity
- More than a BluRay player: games console, media centre, web browser, etc.
- Sony spend more on making these than they sell them for! You get more bang for yer buck 
CONS:
- Fan noise builds up a little more than I would like, but not a big problem really (at least the fan is dynamic, so only runs fast when hot)
- Remote control is run over Bluetooth [I think, certainly wireless], so not compatible with many "ultimate" all-in-one remotes. Example: I can't control my PS3 via my Logitech Harmony remote control, unlike all my other equipment 
- Doesn't work with BRAVIA Sync and all that kind of technology
- No front panel display, so have to use in-player display functions to check play time, etc. (although the display function does show all info about CODECs, bitrates, etc.)
- Although not a major problem to me, it does look like a game console, not your classic standalone player. Although it does fit nicely on a TV shelf, etc.
- More expensive than the BDP350

Sony BDP350
PROS:
- Remote control is run over IR, so should be compatible with most "ultimate" all-in-one remotes.
- Does have a proper front display
- Does work with BRAVIA Sync and all that kind of technology
- Cheaper than the PS3
CONS:
- Doesn't internally decrypt DTS-HD Master Audio [according to website spec], only bitstream output. This is fine until you try to use PiP functionality, where by the unit really needs to mix the two audio streams itself (the two streams cannot be both bitstreamed to an external amp, afaik). Since it can't decode a DTS-HD MA track itself, it will need to switch primary audio track to something "lesser", or fail to render the audio correctly.
- Probably more rigid interal architecture, using dedicated, discrete chips for fixed function operations. Probably less adaptable to future specification modifications. NOTE: I don't know this for sure, but making an educated assumption on the hardware design, going on previous experience.
- Standalone player with potentially short product lifespan before replaced by newer model. This normally means a shorter lifespan of firmware updates, functionality additions, etc.
- Just plays back video disks
- Sony undoubtedly make a profit selling these (unlike PS3) which lends weight to the fixed fuction [cheaper] architecture of the unit

That's a quick list of the top of my head, looking at the spec's on Sony's website for the BDP350 

Hope it helps 

UPDATE: added quick reference to relative pricing
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Sony BDP350
CONS:
- Doesn't internally decrypt DTS-HD Master Audio [according to website spec], only bitstream output. This is fine until you try to use PiP functionality, where by the unit really needs to mix the two audio streams itself (the two streams cannot be both bitstreamed to an external amp, afaik). Since it can't decode a DTS-HD MA track itself, it will need to switch primary audio track to something "lesser", or fail to render the audio correctly.
- Probably more rigid interal architecture, using dedicated, discrete chips for fixed function operations. Probably less adaptable to future specification modifications. NOTE: I don't know this for sure, but making an educated assumption on the hardware design, going on previous experience.
- Standalone player with potentially short product lifespan before replaced by newer model. This normally means a shorter lifespan of firmware updates, functionality additions, etc.
- Just plays back video disks
- Sony undoubtedly make a profit selling these (unlike PS3) which lends weight to the fixed fuction [cheaper] architecture of the unit

That's a quick list of the top of my head, looking at the spec's on Sony's website for the BDP350 

Hope it helps 


No it doesn't decode DTS-HD internally, but does export via HDMI, Digital TOS & Digital Coaxial so external Amp required to process these.

According to manual updates will be in keeping with any future Blu updates for stand alone / PS3 via Internet Broadband connection (in built ethernet port)
plays back
DVD, BD, CD's, Photo (versions of previous listed)

Haven't looked at PiP yet so can't comment on this.

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CONS:
- Fan noise builds up a little more than I would like, but not a big problem really (at least the fan is dynamic, so only runs fast when hot)
- Remote control is run over Bluetooth [I think, certainly wireless], so not compatible with many "ultimate" all-in-one remotes. Example: I can't control my PS3 via my Logitech Harmony remote control, unlike all my other equipment 

Fan noise:
Kept my fans from spinning up to full speed by cutting a hole in the cabinet behind the PS3 and mounting a 120mm fan to exhaust the warm air out the back (drawing fresh air in the front).  Got the idea here: http://mickwest.com/2007/06/02/cooling-ps3-cabinet/

Remote Control:
There are multiple infrared to bluetooth converters out there.  I bought one at http://ir2bt.com/ and it works like a champ.  It pairs with the PS3 and can then power it on and control all other functions.  And it works with the Logitech Harmony  .
(i note they no longer sell the one i got this summer but have a newer, more expensive one.  Their FAQ page links to the AVS forum where less expensive options are discussed.)
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Fan noise:
Kept my fans from spinning up to full speed by cutting a hole in the cabinet behind the PS3 and mounting a 120mm fan to exhaust the warm air out the back (drawing fresh air in the front).  Got the idea here: http://mickwest.com/2007/06/02/cooling-ps3-cabinet/

My TV cabinet is actually free-to-air front and back, so ventilation is not a problem
Noise is, however 
Now, the PS3 is as quiet as I thought it would be, but it is not quiet. Certainly better than my olde XBox was, and better than the XBox360's I've heard
But it is louder than a standard DVD player, and that was my baseline when I built my HTPC: it should not be louder than a DVD player. And it isn't Cost me a lot, but it is practically silent 

Quoting tweeter:
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Remote Control:
There are multiple infrared to bluetooth converters out there.  I bought one at http://ir2bt.com/ and it works like a champ.  It pairs with the PS3 and can then power it on and control all other functions.  And it works with the Logitech Harmony  .
(i note they no longer sell the one i got this summer but have a newer, more expensive one.  Their FAQ page links to the AVS forum where less expensive options are discussed.)

Yeah, I looked in to these a while back. I decided that cost didn't justify the result, so have stuck using the Harmony for most things, and the PS3 remote for BluRay navigation control. TBH, the Harmony isn't that great for that kind of thing, where you have lots of menu buttons, etc. Yes, it can do it, but not what I would call ideal 
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I believe that different PS3's have different fan noises.  I've read tons of complaints.  But in the 10 months I've had mine, I can only hear the fan if I stick my head right next to it (mine is a 40GB).  I've read similar comments from other PS3 owners.  So I don't think all PS3 fans operate at the same noise level.
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I had my PS3 for 6 months before i even knew it had a fan (new cabinetry with worse ventilation and suddenly there are fans firing off).

I originally tried this USB dongle which also worked fine except it can't power the PS3 on.  Much cheaper though and works with the Harmony.

I've been quite happy with the Harmony controlling the PS3.  A couple quirky discs have odd menu structures i have to wrestle with but most have been fine.
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I believe that different PS3's have different fan noises.  I've read tons of complaints.  But in the 10 months I've had mine, I can only hear the fan if I stick my head right next to it (mine is a 40GB).  I've read similar comments from other PS3 owners.  So I don't think all PS3 fans operate at the same noise level.

I also have the 40GB model and also don't hear the fan during normal operation. Some intense gaming or heavy calculations from the Folding@home may trigger the fan to run at high speed for a short while, but it will then return to regular quiet mode...
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If it indicates any pattern I also have a 40gb which is also very quite fanwise.

One other point is that I also have plenty of space for air around it, which may help this.
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I also have a 40GB model.
I am not saying the fan sounds like a jet engine taking off, but I can hear it (sat 6-8 feet away).
It is at a low RPM normally, and when something intensive starts it picks up RPM noticeably (again, not to tornado speed, or anything). Playing back a BluRay film does seem to make it pick up the RPM noticeably too. Not a problem during most sequences, but audible when quiet on screen.

It's certainly not silent.
And from the other end of the spectrum, it doesn't irritate me that much [honest!]. I am used to it now, so don't notice it: I used to when I first got it.

My noise point was that the standalone player _should_ be quieter, unless Sony have done something majorly wrong with its design 
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It's certainly not silent.


I may just be spoiled by the fact I also have an Xbox 360, I'm really glad you can now install games to the hard drive as that reduces the noise to a bearable roar
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The only time I've heard the fan on my PS3 is when I did the self-cleaning cycle.  Beyond that, no amount of game playing or movie watching has ever made it kick into high gear and I've never heard it.  But I also have it sitting on an open shelf with tons of space on all sides.
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That's one of the things about noise levels: everyone has their own individual acceptable levels and tolerances.
What some people notice, others don't. What some people find irritating, others can find soothing. Etc. 
I've practically "zoned out" the noise from my PS3 (just a fan whooshing noise) in the time I've owned it, so I no longer notice it most of the time. Unlike my Cable TV STB/PVR, whose hard disk whirl and clunks are very distracting 

The only point I was trying to make was a relative noise level comparison

  silence < standalone player [unless badly designed!] < PS3 < XBox < racing car < Jet engine taking off

[note: levels between each object above are not suppose to be to scale! ie. an XBox is not louder than a PS3 by the same amount as a racing car in your lounge would be louder than the XBox!  ]
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