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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quote: Dr. Sam Vaknin is an Israeli psychologist. Interesting view on our new president.
Dr. Vaknin has written extensively about narcissism.
Dr. Vaknin States "I must confess I was impressed by Sen.Barack Obama from the first time I saw him. At first I was excited to see a black candidate. He looked youthful, spoke well, appeared to be confident - a wholesome presidential package. I was put off soon, not just because of his shallowness but also because there was an air of haughtiness in his demeanor that was unsettling. His posture and his body language were louder than his empty words. Obama's speeches are unlike any political speech we have heard in American history. Never a politician in this land had such quasi "religious" impact on so many people. The fact that Obama is a total incognito with zero accomplishment, makes this inexplicable infatuation alarming. Obama is not an ordinary man. He is not a genius. In fact he is quite ignorant on most important subjects."
Barack Obama is a narcissist.
Dr. Sam Vaknin, the author of the Malignant Self Love believes
"Barack Obama appears to be a narcissist." Vaknin is a world authority on narcissism. He understands narcissism and describes the inner mind of a narcissist like no other person. When he talks about narcissism everyone listens. Vaknin says that Obama's language, posture and demeanor, and the testimonies of his closest, dearest and nearest suggest that the Senator is either a narcissist or he may have narcissistic personality disorder (NPD). Narcissists project a grandiose but false image of themselves. Jim Jones, the charismatic leader of People's Temple, the man who led over 900 of his followers to cheerfully commit mass suicide and even murder their own children was also a narcissist. David Koresh, Charles Manson, Joseph Koni, Shoko Asahara, Stalin, Saddam, Mao,Kim Jong Ill and Adolph Hitler are a few examples of narcissists of our time. All these men had a tremendous influence over their fanciers. They created a personality cult around themselves and with their blazing speeches elevated their admirers, filled their hearts with enthusiasm and instilled in their minds a new zest for life. They gave them hope! They promised them the moon, but alas, invariably they brought them to their doom. When you are a victim of a cult of personality, you don't know it until it is too late. One determining factor in the development of NPD is childhood abuse.
"Obama's early life was decidedly chaotic and replete with traumatic and mentally bruising dislocations," says Vaknin. "Mixed-race marriages were even less common then. His parents went through a divorce when he was an infant (two years old). Obama saw his father only once again, before he died in a car accident. Then his mother re-married and Obama had to relocate to Indonesia, a foreign land with a radically foreign culture, to be raised by a step-father. At the age of ten, he was whisked off to live with his maternal (white)grandparents. He saw his mother only intermittently in the following few years and then she vanished from his life in 1979. She died of cancer in 1995".
One must never underestimate the manipulative genius of pathological narcissists. They project such an imposing personality that it overwhelms those around them. Charmed by the charisma of the narcissist, people become like clay in his hands. They cheerfully do his bidding and delight to be at his service. The narcissist shapes the world around himself and reduces others in his own inverted image. He creates a cult of personality. His admirers become his co-dependents. Narcissists have no interest in things that do not help them to reach their personal objective. They are focused on one thing alone and that is power. All other issues are meaningless to them and they do not want to waste their precious time on trivialities. Anything that does not help them is beneath them and do not deserve their attention.
If an issue raised in the Senate does not help Obama in one way or another, he has no interest in it. The "present" vote is a safe vote. No one can criticize him if things go wrong. Those issues are unworthy by their very nature because they are not about him. Obama's election as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review led to a contract and advance to write a book about race relations.
The University of Chicago Law School provided him a lot longer than expected forum and it evolved into, guess what? His own autobiography! Instead of writing a scholarly paper focusing on race relations, for which he had been paid, Obama could not resist writing about his most sublime self. He entitled the book Dreams from My Father.
Not surprisingly, Adolph Hitler also wrote his own autobiography when he was still nobody. So did Stalin. For a narcissist no subject is as important as his own self. Why would he waste his precious time and genius writing about insignificant things when he can write about such an august being as himself? Narcissists are often callous and even ruthless. As the norm, they lack conscience. This is evident from Obama's lack of interest in his own brother who lives on only one dollar per month.
A man who lives in luxury, who takes a private jet to vacation in Hawaii, and who has raised nearly half a billion dollars for his campaign (something unprecedented in history) has no interest in the plight of his own brother. Why? Because, his brother cannot be used for his ascent to power.
A narcissist cares for no one but himself. This election is like no other in the history of America. The issues are insignificant compared to what is at stake. What can be more dangerous than having a man bereft of conscience, a serial liar, and one who cannot distinguish his fantasies from reality as the leader of the free world? I hate to sound alarmist, but one is a fool if one is not alarmed. Many politicians are narcissists. They pose no threat to others...They are simply self serving and selfish.
Obama evidences symptoms of pathological narcissism, which is different from the run-of-the-mill narcissism of a Richard Nixon or a Bill Clinton for example. To him reality and fantasy are intertwined. This is a mental health issue, not just a character flaw. Pathological narcissists are dangerous because they look normal and even intelligent. It is this disguise that makes them treacherous.
Today the Democrats have placed all their hopes in Obama. But this man could put an end to their party. The great majority of blacks have also decided to vote for Obama. Only a fool does not know that their support for him is racially driven. This is racism, pure and simple. The downside of this is that if Obama turns out to be the disaster I predict, he will cause widespread resentment among the whites.
The blacks are unlikely to give up their support of their man. Cultic mentality is pernicious and unrelenting. They will dig their heads deeper in the sand and blame Obama's detractors of racism. This will cause a backlash among the whites.
The white supremacists will take advantage of the discontent and they will receive widespread support. I predict that in less than four years, racial tensions will increase to levels never seen since the turbulent 1960's.
Obama will set the clock back decades... America is the bastion of freedom. The peace of the world depends on the strength of America, and its weakness translates into the triumph of terrorism and victory of rogue nations.
It is no wonder that Ahmadinejad, Hugo Chavez, the Castrists, the Hezbollah, the Hamas, the lawyers of the Guantanamo terrorists and virtually all sworn enemies of America are so thrilled by the prospect of their man in the White House. America is on the verge of destruction. There is no insanity greater than electing a pathological narcissist as president. | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | Sam Vaknin himself states: "I am not a mental health professional though I am certified in psychological counseling techniques by Brainbench." here. Here's some interesting reading on the man - including this sentence: "Vaknin was diagnosed with NPD in 1996, while serving a prison sentence in Israel." Need I say more? |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 4,596 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting dee1959jay: Quote: "Vaknin was diagnosed with NPD in 1996, while serving a prison sentence in Israel."
Need I say more? Guess it takes a narcissist to know one . | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | His "doctorate" - if any - is from "Pacific Western University", a non-accredited distance-learning institution that has a reputation as a diploma-mill, where he allegedly majored in Philosophy of Physics. Funny thing is: even this bogus institution, now called " California Miramar University" does not pretend to offer doctoral courses. Its Hawaii branch was shut down by court order after losing a lawsuit filed by the state. When the US General Accounting Office presented the results of an eight month examination of diploma mills and federal employees holding their degrees to the Senate Committee on Governmental Affairs in May 2004, Pacific Western University in Los Angeles was one of the six schools on which the investigation focused. Just to mention a few things on the credentials of this clown. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,796 |
| Posted: | | | | I t is my understanding that all the psychological definitions and terminology are voted at convention and thus has no scientific proof. Any time you have only human language as a source definition of something there is a possibility for a fog factor. That why the legal system loves them so, my quack against your quack. Quack = professional witness.
Lets face it one of the common themes that run through out history of humanity is the desire for one human to control an other human, whether by knowledge, financial or physical strength. Example the Catholic Church suppression of earth orbiting about the sun or in today's news the suppression of the perversion of their priesthood. In 714 B.C. an Egyptian calculated the circumference of earth very close to what satellites have determined.
The scientific biological causes for mental problems is an on going research. Even when I took psychology in the late '60s, many of the psychological studies were proved to be flawed.
Recent lectures from the Teaching Company I have enjoyed: Understanding the Brain, Dr. Jeanette Norden, Neuroscience, Professor of Cell and Developmental Biology; Vanderbilt University;
The following lecture series points out a number flawed psychological studies. Biology and Human Behavior, The Neurological Origins of Individuality, Robert Sapolsky, Professor of Neuroscience, Stanford University
You don't need a degree in psychology to see that Obama is to put it in ever day language "full of himself." | | | We don't need stinkin' IMDB's errors, we make our own. Ineptocracy, You got to love it. "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln | | | Last edited: by Srehtims |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | Did you bother to check up on any of that article or did you automatically believe it simply because it's about someone you didn't vote for.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/vaknin.asp
http://www.faithfreedom.org/obama.html |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote: Did you bother to check up on any of that article or did you automatically believe it simply because it's about someone you didn't vote for.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/vaknin.asp
http://www.faithfreedom.org/obama.html Where exactly did I indicate to you that I believed the article? In fact, where in the OP did I indicate anything whatsoever? And were you in the voting booth with me? I don't remember seeing you at the time. | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Am I the only one old enough to remember the September/October 1964 issue of Fact: magazine? The cover: Using long-distance psychiatry to diagnose mental illnesses in political figures is not new, even 45 years ago... and it has never become any bit accurate. | | | If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.
Cliff |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | I am confused as to the purpose of this thread.
From what I can tell, thanks to northbloke and snopes, Dr. Sam Vaknin is not a psychologist. His PHD, hence the title of Dr., is in philosophy not psychology. So, if he had written the article, it would have to be taken with a grain of salt.
In addition, thanks again to northbloke and snopes, since the article was written by a man with an agenda...Ali Sina...it has to be taken with a grain of salt.
Is it an interesting read? Not really. Especially when you take some of the author's other works into consideration. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Quoting northbloke:
Quote: Did you bother to check up on any of that article or did you automatically believe it simply because it's about someone you didn't vote for.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/vaknin.asp
http://www.faithfreedom.org/obama.html
Where exactly did I indicate to you that I believed the article?
In fact, where in the OP did I indicate anything whatsoever?
And were you in the voting booth with me? I don't remember seeing you at the time. In your very first sentence you say "Dr. Sam Vaknin is an Israeli psychologist". In fact, he is NOT a psychologist, and his doctorate is highly questionable, as I've demonstrated. Thus, you are - intentionally or not - lending credibility to someone who clearly does NOT deserve it (we ARE talking about a convicted criminal here). You are also calling his views "interesting", which IS an appreciation. I'd say they're about as interesting as any other criminal's views are. @Srehtims: If you really need to know, I DO hold an MSc in Psychology, and from a fully accredited institution at that. As such, I have no idea what you're on about when you're talking about psychological definitions and terminology. Psychology in its proper meaning is a research-based science like any other (of course, I'm not referring to the zillions of quacks out there - believe me: I detest those more than you do). Phrases like "You don't need a degree in psychology to see that Obama is to put it in ever day language "full of himself."" are scary, to say the very least. A PROFESSIONAL psychologist would never EVER lend himself to doing "distance diagnoses" without even having done a thorough examination of the person in question. So phrases like these have about as much credibility as either Sam Vaknin or Ali Sina. Perhaps it's a bit TOO long ago you "took psychology" (whatever that means). What the Catholic Church has got to do with anything eludes me even further. | | | Last edited: by dee1959jay |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting dee1959jay: Quote:
In your very first sentence you say "Dr. Sam Vaknin is an Israeli psychologist". In fact, he is NOT a psychologist, and his doctorate is highly questionable, as I've demonstrated. Thus, you are - intentionally or not - lending credibility to someone who clearly does NOT deserve it (we ARE talking about a convicted criminal here). You are also calling his views "interesting", which IS an appreciation. I'd say they're about as interesting as any other criminal's views are. The entire original post is a quote. I did not write any of it. | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: The entire original post is a quote.
I did not write any of it. Gee, I wonder who posted it, and why? | | | If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.
Cliff |
| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,730 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: And were you in the voting booth with me? I don't remember seeing you at the time. That's because he can hide himself so extremely good! But Hal, it seems quite obvious that if you post the uncommented quotation of an article, that you agree with it to a certain extend. Otherwise you should be prepared to answer the question why you posted it? | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up! But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
Registrant since 05/22/2003 | | | Last edited: by Lewis_Prothero |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | It's pretty simple.
I, unlike Unicus, found it to be interesting. | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,197 |
| Posted: | | | | Quote: Not surprisingly, Adolph Hitler also wrote his own autobiography when he was still nobody. Not surprisingly, the author managed to invoke Godwin's law. Quote: References to Godwin's Law often actually refer to a corollary of it which determines that the person who first makes an unwarranted reference to Nazi Germany or Hitler in an argument loses that argument automatically. | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: The entire original post is a quote.
I did not write any of it. We were supposed to figure that out how? As originally posted, it looked like a comment, by you, followed by the 'interesting read'. Is there some reason you did not include the source of the quote or some other indication that it was, in fact, a quote? Quote: It's pretty simple.
I, unlike Unicus, found it to be interesting. I find it very hard to view crap like that as interesting. Especially when it is falsely attributed to a quack yet, in reality, written by a someone with an agenda. I won't quote the statements I have read, as they are a tad offensive, but do a search on him and you will see he is a total nutjob. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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