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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,203 |
| Posted: | | | | So, I watched the final episode last night. While I enjoyed it, I have some issues. Spoiler: (Select to view)Why do good shows always have to end like this. Not only was the biggest question not answered, they created more questions. No explanations about what the island is? When did the survivors die? Six years of my life and that is how the choose to end it? JJ Abrams needs to be slapped. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,747 |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 762 |
| Posted: | | | | Too many questions that I wanted to be answered were not otherwise a pretty good finale, but I need more answers.......................................please! |
| Registered: March 10, 2009 | Posts: 2,248 |
| Posted: | | | | Sometimes they feel it's best to keep certain things a mystery. Or maybe they just had no clue |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: So, I watched the final episode last night. While I enjoyed it, I have some issues.
Spoiler: (Select to view)
Why do good shows always have to end like this. Not only was the biggest question not answered, they created more questions. No explanations about what the island is? When did the survivors die? Six years of my life and that is how the choose to end it? JJ Abrams needs to be slapped. LOL, Martian, if they answered all your questions, then there could be no follow-up movie and there is one planned. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,635 |
| Posted: | | | | There are two literary parallels I know for Lost: Ambrose Bierce's An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge, and Kurt Vonnegut's Slaughterhouse Five. But I urge you not to concern yourself with the machine of how the story ends, but find the meaning in every episode (beyond the need for Hollywood people to earn a steady paycheck).
In every episode, from The Pilot to The End, the people who succeed are those who are involved in helping each other. Success is directly related to help: asking for help when it's needed, giving help when it's asked for, getting and receiving help even if the request is never made. Ben must wait outside the church; he's not ready to enter. He asked for help often throughout the series. But every time he asked for help it was for foolish selfish reasons. He often used people's help to gain an advantage over the very people he asked for the help.
The characters who exist in Jack's flash sideways all asked for, received, and unselfishly gave help when needed. They all understood their interdependency... that without each other, they would never succeed. As Jack states in The Pilot, and was often repeated, if we cannot live together we will die alone. | | | If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.
Cliff | | | Last edited: by VibroCount |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,203 |
| Posted: | | | | Don't get me wrong, I loved the show but, much like Battlestar Galactica, the end just wasn't satisfying. Spoiler: (Select to view)In my opinion, it ended with a whimper, instead of the bang it deserved. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| Registered: May 8, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,945 |
| Posted: | | | | For me it was THE PERFECT ENDING. Everythign I wanted to know was answered and the stuff that should be left to my imagination was left to it. Lost was always a show about the characters and NOT about the mysteries. The island was just a vessel to improve the character development. Spoiler: (Select to view)The main concept of the show was TIME itself, hence the flashbacks , the flashforwards and the flash sideways. It wasn't important to know when they died, it was important that in the flash sideways they made peace with each other. Jack was just the last one of em all to die, the ones that left the island had long and happy lives, it was not necessary to show when they have died. cheers Donnie | | | www.tvmaze.com |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,635 |
| Posted: | | | | This might seem off-topic, but if you stay with me, I might ease the disquiet Lost viewers might have. I discovered and hugely enjoyed science fiction at a very young age. I recall Clarke, Asimov, Heinlein, Hoyle, Bester and other SF masters at a time when my classmates were still reading picture books. For example, I recall reading Have Space Suit -- Will Travel when it was serialized in issues of The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction (at the time -- and now -- I got them by my subscription). I was attracted to literary style SF more than action/adventure.
I later read Kurt Vonnegut's works, including Cat's Cradle, and my favorite of his The Sirens of Titan. After I left the air force, when I was an English literature college student, I attended a writers' seminar, with either a panel or a talk from Vonnegut. I think he was promoting Slapstick. During the question and answer period, another science fiction fan (no, it wasn't me) asked Vonnegut if he would return to writing SF like he did in Cat's Cradle, Titan, and Slaughterhouse-Five. Vonnegut responded that there were no real elements of science fiction in Slaughterhouse-Five. The science-fictional elements were meant to be relief for the author, the character, and the reader from the black story, like Shakespeare's clowns in the tragedies. He went on for a short time, and invited his SF fans to reread the book and to avoid thinking in science fiction terms, but to read it as mainstream, non-fantasy fiction.
I ask you to rethink (if not rewatch) Lost and bring to your thoughts that it has no fantasy nor science fictional elements. That they are story telling devices no more real than Tralfamadore. Then the loose bits and unsatisfying ending may seem better resolved for you. | | | If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.
Cliff |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,494 |
| Posted: | | | | all this talk about Lost and 24 .. no one wants to talk about Brett?? Fixed!! .. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
| Registered: February 23, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,580 |
| Posted: | | | | I haven't seen the finale yet (waiting on the Blu-rays to watch it), but didn't the writers state back in season 3 already that they wouldn't answer all the questions in the end, since they see that's part of the charm of the series: the fact that it has mysteries and viewers can fill it in with their own theories? | | | Blu-ray collection DVD collection My Games My Trophies |
| Registered: May 8, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,945 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Taro: Quote: I haven't seen the finale yet (waiting on the Blu-rays to watch it), but didn't the writers state back in season 3 already that they wouldn't answer all the questions in the end, since they see that's part of the charm of the series: the fact that it has mysteries and viewers can fill it in with their own theories? Yes Donnie | | | www.tvmaze.com |
| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,918 |
| Posted: | | | | The flash-sideways wasn't a real time or place. It was a kind of limbo/purgatory. I'm not going to get into how people can die in there or whatnot, but it was a place for everyone to gather and rejoice in their friendships before they ... moved on.
As Jack's father told him at the very end of the show, there is no "NOW" here. Some people there died before him, some people after him. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,203 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting DarklyNoon: Quote: Everythign I wanted to know was answered and the stuff that should be left to my imagination was left to it I don't want stuff left to my imagination. If they are going to tell me a story, I want the whole story. But that's just me. Quote: Spoiler: (Select to view)
The main concept of the show was TIME itself, hence the flashbacks , the flashforwards and the flash sideways. It wasn't important to know when they died, it was important that in the flash sideways they made peace with each other. Jack was just the last one of em all to die, the ones that left the island had long and happy lives, it was not necessary to show when they have died. This much I figured out after thinking about it for a while... Spoiler: (Select to view)...but I still wanted the island explained, and the light explained, and why did it have to be protected, and many other things. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,203 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Taro: Quote: I haven't seen the finale yet (waiting on the Blu-rays to watch it), but didn't the writers state back in season 3 already that they wouldn't answer all the questions in the end, since they see that's part of the charm of the series: the fact that it has mysteries and viewers can fill it in with their own theories? That's possible but, for me, that is just being lazy. I didn't feel this way when Babylon 5 ended. If I remember correctly, JMS finished his story. I didn't have to do it for him. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: February 23, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,580 |
| Posted: | | | | I perfectly understand your point-of-view and feelings in this matter, MadMartian. I think there are two types of viewers in this regard: those that want things to end neatly with all plot points wrapped up, and those who enjoy having some things left to their imagination.
In our household we have both. My wife is more like you and I'm more of 'open-ended' ending kind of person. So sometimes it happens at the end of a series or movie that I say "ah, good ending, it lingers in my mind" while my wife says: "what the hell kind of ending is this?!"
I do make a difference between a show that ends (really ends) and a show that is forced to abruptly end the story because it was cancelled. That's something I can't really appreciate (like the end of season 2 of Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles).
Anyway, sorry for going a bit off topic. | | | Blu-ray collection DVD collection My Games My Trophies |
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