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Registered: March 10, 2009 | Posts: 2,248 |
| Posted: | | | | This means you have to cut down more trees though to make the paper? That's not very environmentally friendly is it.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/businessclub/8513874/Suffolk-inventors-paper-milk-bottle-set-to-go-global.html | | | Last edited: by ShinyDiscGuy |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 4,596 |
| Posted: | | | | At least trees can be regrown . The paper from these "bottles" can be recycled up to five times and the carbon footprint for producing them is much smaller than that of plastic bottles. What we can't continue to do is keep dumping plastics in landfills. Plastic takes hundreds of years to biodegrade and once it does, where do you think all the toxins from the plastic end up? In our water table...that's where. We keep running out of room and have to cut down more trees to make room for more landfills. We're dumping this crap in our oceans as well. Our planet has become nothing more that one big dump. Gaia is not pleased . | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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Registered: March 10, 2009 | Posts: 2,248 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote: At least trees can be regrown . The paper from these "bottles" can be recycled up to five times and the carbon footprint for producing them is much smaller than that of plastic bottles.
What we can't continue to do is keep dumping plastics in landfills. Plastic takes hundreds of years to biodegrade and once it does, where do you think all the toxins from the plastic end up? In our water table...that's where. We keep running out of room and have to cut down more trees to make room for more landfills. We're dumping this crap in our oceans as well. Our planet has become nothing more that one big dump. Gaia is not pleased . Im well aware of trees being able to be grown back Just can we grow them as fast as much as our demand for the resource. |
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Registered: June 3, 2007 | Posts: 706 |
| Posted: | | | | "The bottles consist of a paper shell and an inner plastic liner that holds the liquid. "
Kinda defeats the point ?
Until they can make recycling as easy as throwing out the trash it will never happen on the scale it needs to.
To recycle in my area, they want cans cleaned ( using water ) labels removed ( more paper waste )
Then the paper stuff cant have glossy print ads etc etc.
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,380 |
| Posted: | | | | All milk here is sold in "paperboard" bottles. All apartment buildings and many single family houses have specific trash bins for these (and similar packages) so they can be recycled. Those here too have an plastic (or some such) inner layer, its made of stuff that can still be recycled. Dont know the specifics of it though. I thought this was the case everywhere? Quoting Skip: Quote: Just can we grow them as fast as much as our demand for the resource. They've been closing paper mills here. So i'm sure were more then happy to fill any Britain's paper needs. We have more forests then Britain has land, so don't worry. | | | Last edited: by whispering |
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Registered: June 3, 2007 | Posts: 706 |
| Posted: | | | | Here ( Mid Atlantic DC Area )
Different shops carry different containers.
All gallon containers are plastic, and its a 50/50 toss up if the 1/2's are the paper with wax like finish is used. I cut mine up and they don't seem to be plastic, unless its silly thin and will tear with the paper/cardboard.
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,380 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting RobAGD: Quote: I cut mine up and they don't seem to be plastic, unless its silly thin and will tear with the paper/cardboard. Thats the one used also here. I think its just a super slim layer of some plastic like substance. |
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Registered: July 16, 2010 | Reputation: | Posts: 527 |
| Posted: | | | | Don’t forget that the environmental impact of producing the milk in the first place totally dwarfs that of the packaging. (What is actually wrong with reusable glass bottles anyway?) Much better not to drink milk in the first place; there are plenty of less environmentally damaging alternatives, which also negate the cruelty inherent in the dairy industry.
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Registered: June 3, 2007 | Posts: 706 |
| Posted: | | | | But I like milk for my chocolate mix and Ice cream :D
-R |
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Registered: July 16, 2010 | Reputation: | Posts: 527 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting RobAGD: Quote: But I like milk for my chocolate mix and Ice cream :D That’s okay, you can just give all that enjoyment up, forever. I hear a daily diet of raw seaweed and lettuce leaves is delicious! Think how much better you'll feel, without the guilt weighing down on your shoulders every day, those naughty calories adding to the obesity epidemic, or the sound of the planet screaming and begging for mercy as it’s crushed under the jackboot of your carbon footprint. Oh, I’ve got a bit carried away, haven’t I? | | | Do you ever find yourself striving for perfection with an almost worthless attempt at it? Guttermouth "Lemon Water". Also, I include in my Profiler database VHS tapes, audio DVDs, audio books (digital, cassette and CD), video games (digital, DVD and CD) and 'enhanced' CDs with video tracks on them, as well as films and TV I've bought digitally. So I'm an anarchist, deal with it. Just be thankful I don't include most of my records and CDs etc in it too; don't think I haven't been tempted... |
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Registered: March 10, 2009 | Posts: 2,248 |
| Posted: | | | | The way i see the whole environmental climate change thing though not entirely convinced by climate change. We do need to switch to a more renewable based economy. This is where capitalism becomes a double edged sword.
While giving us much innovation which has in the last 60 years improved human life at least for a billion odd people, dramatically. I know this all to well from having a grandfather born in 1919 into poverty on a farm with 10 siblings, a lot of whom died very young. Who in 1943 after could have gotten out of the army because he had a vital job. Refused to and rejoined the 1st Gordon Highlanders Battalion part of the 51st Highland Division for D-Day and the liberation of Europe.
While he only said to my auntie it was cause he hated farming. We suspect it was more to do with how life was so s hit, that he would rather risk his life than going back to that. Or maybe he wanted to make sure his friends got back home and felt he let them down if he never.
Possibly a bit of both
Any way the point is we find the innovators of the past becoming protectionist and stifling the innovation of the future. | | | Last edited: by ShinyDiscGuy |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,321 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting SpikyCactus: Quote: I hear a daily diet of raw seaweed and lettuce leaves is delicious! I think you misheard. Quote: Think how much better you'll feel I feel great! Quote: without the guilt weighing down on your shoulders every day Guilt? What guilt? I think I'll have 2 glasses of milk tonight just to celebrate my lack of guilt! Quote: those naughty calories adding to the obesity epidemic We're movie / television geeks. We're supposed to be obese! Quote: or the sound of the planet screaming and begging for mercy as it’s crushed under the jackboot of your carbon footprint. I listened but just heard silence. Not that I expected a planet to beg or scream. But I had to at least give it a shot. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here. Create fake parent profiles to organize your collection. |
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Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,878 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting SpikyCactus: Quote: (What is actually wrong with reusable glass bottles anyway?) There is nothing wrong with the returnable glass bottle! That's how I get my milk. I get JD Country Milk, which is in Russellville Kentucky and has the only on-the-farm bottling operation in the state. It's about 125 miles from where I live; they sell at the Whole Foods here. Their milk is absolutely delicious - undoubtedly because not only is it organic, but it doesn't have to travel very far to get to the shelf here. The bottle deposit just went up to $2.50, but I don't care. The taste alone is worth it, even ignoring the eco outlook with buying local and reusing the bottles. | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world. -- Thorin Oakenshield |
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Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,621 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting RobAGD: Quote: "Until they can make recycling as easy as throwing out the trash it will never happen on the scale it needs to.
To recycle in my area, they want cans cleaned ( using water ) labels removed ( more paper waste )
Then the paper stuff cant have glossy print ads etc etc.
-R Wow, I was just thinking it was almost as easy as throwing stuff out here. I get one big trash can, and one big recycle can taht looks just like it with different colors and marking. Then a list, but none of the "clean everything out", just anything somewhat recyclable, throw it in the re-can. Then a huge truck picks it up, and hopefully takes it somewhere other than the dump. |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,730 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Mark Harrison: Quote: Quoting SpikyCactus:
Quote: I hear a daily diet of raw seaweed and lettuce leaves is delicious!
I think you misheard. SpikyCactus is absolutely correct. Raw seaweed and lettuce leaves are delicious ... provided you are a rabbit or a snail | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up! But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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Registered: June 2, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 305 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting RobAGD: Quote:
All gallon containers are plastic Hmmm, must be yummy to drink milk from plastic containers. Seen it in many movies though. Doesn't the milk takes on the plastic smell? |
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