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"Wendy Hoffman" is credited in the following 36 titles (79 profiles)
"Wendy Hoffmann" is credited in the following 35 titles (288 profiles)

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Loop group and ADR are crew not cast.

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About whether they're crew or cast: I consider them cast, and as you can see in the CLT, I'm certainly not the only one: they're regularly entered into the database by many, many users, throughout all regions and localities. Also: I spoke to a few of these people, and they consider themselves actors. Voice actors, perhaps, but actors nonetheless. Last but not least, just looking at the few examples above, I just can't ignore credits like "ADR Cast" or "Voice Actors" - if the credits call them cast or actors, then who am I to claim they're not? And if I'm entering Ms. Hoffmann's credits when they're "ADR Cast", "Voice Actors" and "Additional Voices", then why would I suddenly ignore her when the credit is a bit less specific, but her job on the film was exactly the same? Either I track these voice actors, or we don't, but if we're going to track *some* of the labels they're credited with, I'm tracking *every* label they're credited with.

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So again I came to the point ... I'm not sure how to handle them ... a concrete rule or statement by Ken is missing ...

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About whether they're crew or cast: I consider them cast, and as you can see in the CLT, I'm certainly not the only one: they're regularly entered into the database by many, many users, throughout all regions and localities. Also: I spoke to a few of these people, and they consider themselves actors. Voice actors, perhaps, but actors nonetheless. Last but not least, just looking at the few examples above, I just can't ignore credits like "ADR Cast" or "Voice Actors" - if the credits call them cast or actors, then who am I to claim they're not? And if I'm entering Ms. Hoffmann's credits when they're "ADR Cast", "Voice Actors" and "Additional Voices", then why would I suddenly ignore her when the credit is a bit less specific, but her job on the film was exactly the same? Either we track these voice actors, or we don't, but if we're going to track *some* of the labels they're credited with, I'm tracking *every* label they're credited with.

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@Kluge: That sounds lovely, but if you'd just be able to *talk* to (someone like) Ms. Hoffmann, then she'd assure you that her contribution to these films was exactly the same, no matter the exact label that was slapped on it in the credits. As for saying that "Additional Voices" and "ADR Group" should be handled differently: how about Ms. Hoffmann's confirmed "ADR Cast" credit then? Surely you're not telling me that "ADR Group" shouldn't be included, while "ADR Cast" should be included? Sorry, but I just don't buy that. If "ADR Cast" is considered a valid cast entry, then I'll certainly treat "ADR Voice Group" or "ADR Group" the same way.

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Please note that you are acting directly against Ken's clarification.

The phrase "non-specific voice credits", whether you like it or not, doesn't require that you consider the credited person to be "Cast" and /or Actor.

It completely suffices to be "Voice" and "Non-Specific" both is (as hopefully even you will agree) correct for ADR, Loop, Walla, etc.

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On the latest topic, there is no exclusion for Additional Voices - if they're in the credits, they should be included. We include similar non-specific live-action credits, such as an actor credited as "Various roles".  We also include specific voice actors, so I don't see a compelling reason to exclude non-specific voice credits.

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Stop ignoring the second part part of the statement, here Ken clearly widens from "Additional Voices" only to "Non-specific Voice credits", which is by far wider.

In this case there's no need to interpret anything, simply keep with the words.
Non-Specific (means: No unique rolename): Yes
Voice: Yes

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