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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,380 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting pauls42: Quote: On 9th April, 1940 when Norway was attacked both Britain and France sent military assistance to try and help Norway. Same for Finland, although Britains help never got here, it was ment to be shipped through Norway, so after Norway was invaded the plan went south. Still reseaved some planes from France. Quoting pauls42: Quote: This was in contrast to other countries which immediately came in on the British side to stand against the German Army under Hitler. Not all of us Seriously though, it was Soviet Union or Nazi Germany, the former was pointing the gun, the latter was giving the gun. Were it not for Germany there probably wouldnt even be a Finland. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 460 |
| Posted: | | | | Hehehe we thought we could stay neutral as in the Great War... but unfortunalty the guy from Linz had other plans | | | Jean-Paul |
| Registered: March 23, 2007 | Posts: 317 |
| Posted: | | | | 'faird I'm one of those 'anti-US' types (as Some might call me). I've just seen too many examples of morally questionable behaviour from the us (flouting treaties, refusing to agree to world-improving initiatives because they would cost money, intervening in foreign countries for their own political gain (including sponsoring extremist groups), etc.). Not to say that everybody else is clean, but the US just seems so much worse than everyone else - a good two or three decades behind the times. I think Skip should look at this link to get a better understanding of the US' place in the world. The page I linked to is about charity, but the 'best examples' section gives great insight into a lot of social and political aspects of different countries. 'Socialist' countries put in a pretty spectacular showing, whilst the US - the richest country in the world - has quite a long way to go. Stuart | | | This is a sig... ... ... yay...
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | I think everybody needs to stop dictating to the US, we ain't listrening. We are fed up with the games in the UN while WE provide the majority of their operating budget. Libya on the Human Rights Commission...yeah right.
WE have a point of view and YOU have a point of view, and we don't accept that point of view many times, that doesn't mean that we shouldn't talk about it BUT...We, at least, recognize that there is more than our viewpoint, i wish the same could be said for the rest of the world. Try walking in our shoes for a few miles and i will wager you might have a modification in your world view. You are more than willing to accept whatever foreign aid Uncle Sam gives you, then you many time ask for my and/or bite the hand that just gave you some money. And I am referring to foreig aid, not disaster relief. As many people say over here, an opinion I don't share BTW, but if we stopped dishing out foreign aid, we would have that much more money to deal with the problems we have.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote: I think everybody needs to stop dictating to the US, we ain't listrening. We're not dictating to the US, we just think the US should stop dictating to everyone else! What you do in your own country is your own business. Just stop trying to do it in other people's countries. Quote: ...We, at least, recognize that there is more than our viewpoint, i wish the same could be said for the rest of the world. Sure, viewpoints like communism and socialism... |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Posts: 374 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 460 |
| Posted: | | | | Skip except the USA doesn't puy the whole thing if I remember correctly It is true, everyone looks at the USA if it concerns foreign politics. Everything has to be weight on a silver platter, and when something happens the whole world (except a few other countries, which varries from time to time and from subject to subject ). Because the USA is the so called world leader they are followed with everything they do and might do and everyone has their opinion. I am not a republican, but this has probably to do with me not living (read being) in the US. And don't forget, the people on this board are (most likely) living in the richest countries in the world and we all know that we 'spend' a lot of money to charities and aid and at that moment that country is happy with you, but after a month they have forgotten. From Stuarts' link I have to say "Huzzah for my country" For 2006 | | | Jean-Paul | | | Last edited: by Zoeper |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,744 |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | I realized I hadn't posted my results on the original poll yet. Here they are:
John Edwards (D) Hillary Clinton (D) Barack Obama (D) Rudy Giuliani (R) John McCain (R) Mitt Romney (R) Fred Thompson (R) Mike Huckabee (R).
Cheers, DJ |
| Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Sugar:
Yse, I am familiar with that chart. As well as the one Jean-Paul posted.
Skio | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,022 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote: Sugar:
Yse, I am familiar with that chart. As well as the one Jean-Paul posted.
Skio Glad to see you have changed your name to become more Italian/European sounding - Skio On a more serious note, I am a total skeptic about a lot of these emergency foreign aid donations when the huge national debt repayments of these affected countries are taken into consideration. Also in comparison to our governments other expenditure, for examples the US government pledged $350m to the victims of the tsunami, and the UK government £50m ($96m). The US spent $148 billion on the Iraq war and the UK £6 billion ($11.5bn). The Spanish governments donations allegedly 90% were soft loans, linked to the purchases of Spanish goods. It is not only governments who should be ashamed, the richest companies response to the largest natural disaster in decades was shocking, peanuts in comparison to their profits. And who do you think in relativity terms are the most generous peoples of our communities when it comes to charitable causes? According to the Charities Aid Foundation, the wealthiest 10% of UK income earners give just 0.7% of their household expenditure to charity, while the poorest 10% allocate 3% of theirs. Anyway, I am definately off my soapbox now and back to my happy world of DVDs | | | |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting DariusKyrak: Quote: I think Skip should look at this link to get a better understanding of the US' place in the world. The page I linked to is about charity, but the 'best examples' section gives great insight into a lot of social and political aspects of different countries. 'Socialist' countries put in a pretty spectacular showing, whilst the US - the richest country in the world - has quite a long way to go. Did you read the article or did you just look at the charts? I am not trying to be rude, but it doesn't seem like you did. The following paragraph puts the charts into context: Quote: Comparing USA aid to that of European countries is not in itself a simple task. The American people are actually no less generous than those of other developed countries. By comparing aid as a percent of Gross Domestic Product (GDP) you measure the amount of aid that is given by individuals. On this scale, Americans look angelic, giving twice as much as Britons or Canadians. By comparing aid as a fraction of Gross National Income (GNI) as the studies on this page has done, you combine the generosity of the government and individuals. Europeans pay higher taxes to their governments, who in turn operate as welfare states, doing much charitable work2. For this reason, European governments always appear more generous in league tables compared to American governments, which is decidedly not a welfare state. American citizens give no less than others, according to The Economist, "the extra percentage point of its GDP that individuals deposit in rattling tins hardly reflects the much lighter taxes they pay"2. American citizens give more, but the government does so much less that the country as a whole looks miserly. It would not be right to blame the citizens for this, but the lack of a socially-minded government. The American people give plenty, but our country is ranked very low because we do not live in a 'welfare state'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,480 |
| Posted: | | | | | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Since global charity was brought up, and charts thrown out, I thought we should look at some 'real' numbers. This data is from The Index of Global Philanthropy: In 2004, the US government gave $19.7 billion while the rest of the world, combined, gave $59.81 billion. On the surface, that looks real bad. It looks bad because it doesn't take into account what the american people gave. In 2004, through various means, the American people gave $71.2 billion. Do the math: World governments: $79.51 billion American people: $71.2 billion So please, don't confuse the american government with 'America'. America is the people and the government has been out of touch with them for a very long time. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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