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I can only right now make one comment, Snark. While I understand what you are saying about the courts. I apply a totally different standard. We have something called the Constitution and it is the Courts job to interpret that document, NOT to legislate and create rights out of whole cloth for anyone which are not there, and in many cases cannot even be interpreted to be there...but that too is whole nuther story.

Snark, I am not worried about you having a membership in the thought police, you and have agreed and disagreed many times over the years and i always enjoy a discussion with you.

BTW, Let me repeat, I am no fan of John McCain, he was not my first or my second choice, BUT I believe him to be preferable to the alternative. You haven't lived until you have been the target of John's temper, but when all is said and done he listens, he may not agree but he listens.

Skip

Well Skip, the problem is that both sides legislate and create rights out of whole cloth.  The right has made a cottage industry out of their "activist judge" story but both sides are guilty in this.  (An "activist judge" is someone who disagrees with the speaker)

For my part a huge temper is a serious reason to disqualify a cantidate.  Some of McCain's behavior has been reprehensibe when his dander is up.  With Obama at least I believe that he'll think things through before making a decision. 

I have no confidence that either will come to the right one at the end, but angry decisions are almost NEVER right.  Sometimes when thought through you get to the right decision, even if for the wrong reasons.

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I have known John, for many years now, I have seen him get angry, I have been the target of his anger, one thing I can state factually and with no equivocation, I have NEVER seen him make  a decision in anger or based on anger. I would guess that John and i agree only about 50 to 60% of the time, which I consider low. I agree with myself 97% of the time and you should my arguments with myself, whew.

I have learned far more than i care to know about Senator Obama, I have even read his wife's thesis while she was at Princeton. I can only say that they scare the bejesus out of me, more so than anyone that i have ever seen run for the office. In some respects he reminds me of Jimmy Carter, for whom I voted as young man, much to my chagrin, the difference between them is that I VIEWED (past Tense) Carter as an honest man, I can't say the same for Obama. Carter does hsare one trait with obama, in retrospect, I think while he was an honorable decent man, he simply did not have the cojones to be President. You step in that office you better have a pair.

I can't support any candidate for the Office that believes the collective is the answer.

Skip

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Your statement implies that you have seen McCain make decisions in anger. Which ones?

Heya Dan,

His temper is fairly well documented at this point.  There's enough evidence in that direction that I have no serious reason to doubt that it's an issue and his current behavior (look at the last debate performance) is surely in line with what's been reported.

I can identify with that.  I have one hell of a temper as well.  But I have the luxury of waiting till the next day before dealing with most of the situations that anger me.  The president doesn't necissarily get that chance. 

And as I said to Skip... given his campaign... does he really appear to have the leadership qualities or the temperment necessary for the job?

On some level I would be more confortable with somene I disagree with that is reasoned in their approach than someone with my values who acts without considering consequences...

"The road to hell..." etc

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Skip, let's just assume I have read the book, but I could not read out of it that he is a Marxist (btw what is you definition of this term?), could you please enlighten me and quote the relevant part or refer to a specific page or part of the book?

Just repeating what you have said previously does not make it a better point.

Sugar

I find it utterly fascinating that (1) someone asks another to provide proof of an assertion, (2) second person provides such proof, and the (3) original person claims it is untrue, misquoted, etc, and that the second person should provide MORE proof.  I doubt there is anything that would satisfy the original person because his opinion is so firmly rooted in his own agenda that he cannot accept the truth when confronted by it.  I'm not pointing my finger just at you, Sugar, because many of you other Obama-natics are taking the same tactic:  ignore, obfuscate and ridicule any view other than your own.

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I guess temperament is as good a reason as many I have heard for voting against someone. Especially when that decision is based on one's own experiences with one's self. Personally, I have never know McCain to act without considering the consequences and I believe any review of his record will reflect my belief in this matter.

I will say that I feel I'm likely to buy larger amounts of ammo in the near future than I normally pruchase.

I don't think most voters have the luxury of personal experience with the cantidate in question.  I wish it was different, but it's not.  McCain's (alleged) outbursts have been recorded in enough incidents prior to this election cycle that coupled with his own demeanor I have to take them seriously.  Yelling obscenities at someone IS a choice, as I've reminded my son.  Once you cross that line your options are reduced.  And it does appear that he's crossed that line.  Even if he isn't decided in his own mind, comments made in the heat of anger may well decide the minds of others.

Until something more concrete about Obama comes out they will weigh fairly heavily on my mind.

As to the last.  I'm right there with ya pal.  I haven't bought ammo in a looong time, but given the turn in the economy it's more than prudent.  While we still have the right to self defense we should use the tools at our disposal to do so.

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While that is accurate, Snark. I think you are allowing Obama to skate. Let me elucidate a bit. Hios common short answer is That's Guilt by association. It has been said, by men many times wiser than I, that you shall know the character of the man by the company that he keeps.

Ayers
Fleeger
Rev Wrong
Rezko
ACORN

To name just a few of his associations. I am sorry, Snark, the Senators comments simply don't wash, and i find them less than forthcoming. I see a pattern in his relationships, one which is not real positive and has NOT been fully addressed to explain why I should trust him with the most important job in this country. The company that Obama keeps tells me all I need to know about his character. The man laid down with dogs and got up with fleas.

Skip

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Many examples of McCains anger, high ranking military question if he should have access to the trigger!

See: Examples

watch more than one.