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What is it with you Americans....?
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We're also to be subjected to a remake of The IT Crowd.

Because obviously tech jokes don't fly as well on this side of the pond. (Perhaps it's the 220V power vs. 110V?)


No, that's being remade because it was rubbish.



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I believe the guy who plays Moss is also playing him in the US version.
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Of course there is a simple solution to bad remakes.

Don't watch them.
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A case in point would be the remake of Spoorloos, remade as The Vanishing. The ending in the remake ruined the whole film as compared to the original.

Couldn't agree more. Replacing the haunting ending with a dull drone was one the stupidest choices ever. It was surprising that Spoorloos' director Georges Sluizer also helmed this awful remake, but I bet his arm was twisted into creating a sanitized version of his highly effective original.

And that is precisely something I usually dislike about remakes, not that they exist per se, but why sanitize everything and have tidy little happy endings? Sometimes it feels like they are trying to create an adaptation of 'Tropic of Cancer' for 5-year-olds.

BUT... now that I've entered in this territory, I'd say that this is not the Hollywood studios' fault at all. They're just responding to the demand for a product. The fault lies within the demand itself, the viewer. If there's something quite messed up in you, and you cannot accept:

  • Subtitles

  • Foreign languages, ideas, cultures and concepts.

  • Haunting plots, flawed characters, mindsets different than those of your own.


  • Then YOU, the viewer, is the one at fault. YOU are the one that is creating this stupid demand. STOP trying to pretend that everything outside your little rainbow brite world is wrong, or worse, that it doesn't really exist. Expand your horizons, try to accept, acknowledge and admire that in this little planet, different religions, mindsets, ideas and languages DO exist.  Not everything has to comply with what you know. Stop this demand and the dreaded product that Hollywood launches will cease to exist.

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    I'm not much of a fan of remakes and agree that Americans tend to remake everything. One observation that I would make is that Americans seem to like happy endings more than the rest of us. A case in point would be the remake of Spoorloos, remade as The Vanishing. The ending in the remake ruined the whole film as compared to the original.


    An example of a film that was ruined by a happy ending is Bladerunner of course..    Apparently the bunch of american teenagers a) couldn't understand it (so we had a voice over) and b) wanted a happy ending.

    Thank goodness they eventually threw off both of these monstrosities!!
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    Of course there is a simple solution to bad remakes.

    Don't watch them.


    Proven by the response to Coupling USA and many others.
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    I think it's just that the money people behind US Television are gutless and lazy.  Gutless in that they're generally unwilling to try original programming because it might not work - and lazy because they think it's easier to recycle British programs than to create something new on their own.

    It reminds me about Ford Motors.  In the 1960s they started importing the English Ford Cortina.  They even marketed it as "Ford's Model C" harkening back to their Model T and Model A cars.  We had one, a 1968 model, and until parts became a problem it was a great car.  So great and so accepted that Ford decided they could do it better and brought out the Pinto.   No comparison between the cars, the Pinto was clearly inferior.  But the powers at Ford decided not to compete with themselves and promptly forgot they had ever marked the Cortina in the States.  We found ourselves with an orphan car - got the same treatment as if we had purchased it on the grey market.  Parts became nearly impossible to find.
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    If anyone wants to see a clip, I posted one on page three of the YouTube thread.

    I have no problem with a remake like this, as long as it isn't dumbed down. What was great about the UK version is the complete and total absence of political correctness. Sexism, racism and a few other ism's all put to good use. By having a central character be regularly appalled at the behaviour around him, they got away with loads. Also, the story and in particular the ending was very subtle and ambiguous.

    And in the UK it ran for two series, about 16 episodes. I don't think the story would work dragged out over a typical 23 part US series. I might be wrong, but the UK one was just the right length.



    Just a point of reference.  The average US season is 18-20 episodes.  The only one I can think recently that is longer on average is '24', which is based on a real-time scenario of 1 episode per 1 hour of clock time.  Thus 24 episodes covers 1 day of actual time, spread out over the course of about 5 months.
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    Up until Sci-Fi started pissing me off with their short seasons of 10-11 episodes, every show (at least what I've seen on DVD) was 21-23 episodes.
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    If anyone wants to see a clip, I posted one on page three of the YouTube thread.

    I have no problem with a remake like this, as long as it isn't dumbed down. What was great about the UK version is the complete and total absence of political correctness. Sexism, racism and a few other ism's all put to good use. By having a central character be regularly appalled at the behaviour around him, they got away with loads. Also, the story and in particular the ending was very subtle and ambiguous.

    And in the UK it ran for two series, about 16 episodes. I don't think the story would work dragged out over a typical 23 part US series. I might be wrong, but the UK one was just the right length.



    Just a point of reference.  The average US season is 18-20 episodes.  The only one I can think recently that is longer on average is '24', which is based on a real-time scenario of 1 episode per 1 hour of clock time.  Thus 24 episodes covers 1 day of actual time, spread out over the course of about 5 months.

    Long gone are the good old days of 30+ episodes per season! 'The Twilight Zone' was on for five years but had 156 episodes, 'Gunsmoke' had 635 in 20 seasons and 'The Honeymooners' has 39 in one season!

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    Is there a good English cop show called Life on Mars, you Americans gonna make an US version... 
    What's wrong with the English version...? 

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0787490/



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    If anyone wants to see a clip, I posted one on page three of the YouTube thread.

    I have no problem with a remake like this, as long as it isn't dumbed down. What was great about the UK version is the complete and total absence of political correctness. Sexism, racism and a few other ism's all put to good use. By having a central character be regularly appalled at the behaviour around him, they got away with loads. Also, the story and in particular the ending was very subtle and ambiguous.

    And in the UK it ran for two series, about 16 episodes. I don't think the story would work dragged out over a typical 23 part US series. I might be wrong, but the UK one was just the right length.



    Just a point of reference.  The average US season is 18-20 episodes.  The only one I can think recently that is longer on average is '24', which is based on a real-time scenario of 1 episode per 1 hour of clock time.  Thus 24 episodes covers 1 day of actual time, spread out over the course of about 5 months.

    Long gone are the good old days of 30+ episodes per season! 'The Twilight Zone' was on for five years but had 156 episodes, 'Gunsmoke' had 635 in 20 seasons and 'The Honeymooners' has 39 in one season!

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    I remember them well!  Of course, you have to remember that they didn't have all the special effects to deal with like they do today.  What they did do were almost always done on the fly, or via static makeup, etc.  Most westerns, for example, didn't even use squibs in the heyday of the '50's.  Oh, those innocent days of youth! 
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    Not only the number of episodes per season but the length of an episode.
    Check the times say the original Star Trek around 50 minutes per episode, compared to today 44 to 41 minutes per episode, and with more credits.

    I remember the public complained and they ease off for a bit, but gradely cut the episode time more slowly. If you change a parameter in small enough increments it's amazing what you can get away with.

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    Just a point of reference.  The average US season is 18-20 episodes.  The only one I can think recently that is longer on average is '24', which is based on a real-time scenario of 1 episode per 1 hour of clock time.  Thus 24 episodes covers 1 day of actual time, spread out over the course of about 5 months.
    The modern Star Trek shows had about 26 episodes per season.

    Lost, Heroes had 20+ episodes, too.
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    In Australia we had a tv show, Homicide, which ran from 1964-1977. I have some early episodes on video, including the pilot, and they run for between 55-59 minutes per episode! Just goes to show that back in those days there mustn't have been the same amount of advertising that we have today.
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    Best cop show ever was Homicide life on the streets! Follow up by The Wire then Miami Vice
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