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 | Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Perhaps a screen cap would help.
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He's the stage production producer, I would leave him out. That is a writing credit. | | | | Dan | | | | Last edited: by Dan W |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 951 |
| | Posted: | | | | How do you determine "As Produced for the Stage by" as a writing credit? | | | Are you local?
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| Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Tracer: Quote:
How do you determine "As Produced for the Stage by" as a writing credit? How do you not see it? The first word tells you that the film you are about to see is as the play was. In other words, the film is a performance based on that play. They specify Max Gordon's production because there were others who produced a different version of this story. Again, you are about to see the screen version of the Max Gordon play. | | | | Dan |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dan W: Quote:
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How do you determine "As Produced for the Stage by" as a writing credit?
How do you not see it?
The first word tells you that the film you are about to see is as the play was. In other words, the film is a performance based on that play. They specify Max Gordon's production because there were others who produced a different version of this story. Again, you are about to see the screen version of the Max Gordon play. This was my take on it as well. The film makers are giving credit to the stage producer because they used that play in some way as the basis of the movie. That seems to me to be an OMB credit in the same way as if they had given credit to a book author or magazine article author. It is simply a different form. The fact that it sits in the middle of the other "writing" credits, also seems to be a pretty strong indicator that the film makers were giving credit to the stage producer for the material in the play that was used in the movie. | | | | Hal |
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| | Posted: | | | | Are we talking about Dodsworth? According to IBDB, that play was written by Sidney Howard, who also wrote the screenplay for the film. I don't see Max Gordon's production credit on the play becoming a writing credit on the film. If anything, it's like the possessory credits we've recently discussed. Perhaps the film rights called for recognition of the producer of the play. I don't see this as a DVD Profiler credit at all.  | | | ...James
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| Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
Are we talking about Dodsworth?
According to IBDB, that play was written by Sidney Howard, who also wrote the screenplay for the film. I don't see Max Gordon's production credit on the play becoming a writing credit on the film. If anything, it's like the possessory credits we've recently discussed. Perhaps the film rights called for recognition of the producer of the play.
I don't see this as a DVD Profiler credit at all. What you are overlooking is that although someone else receives a play right credit, it was Max Gordon's play. Without doing a great deal of research, it is impossible to know how much of the play was "written" by Max Gordon and how much was "written" by Sidney Howard. | | | | Dan | | | | Last edited: by Dan W |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 951 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dan W: Quote:
They specify Max Gordon's production because there were others who produced a different version of this story. The credits spell it out as a Max Gordon production of the Stage Play, that's all, not the Stage Play writer. Just because he produced the play doesn't mean he wrote the play. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Gordon_%28producer%29 http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0330444/ I've seen this type of credit in a number of movies that were based on Stage productions. Quoting Dan W: Quote:
Again, you are about to see the screen version of the Max Gordon play. Max Gordon Stage Production, the way I read the credits it was "Sidney Howard" that wrote the Stage play. | | | Are you local?
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| | Posted: | | | | From what I can find, Max Gordon was to New York theatre as Jerry Bruckheimer is to modern film. His name would be attached to the play for the same reason as Bruckheimer's. I would not give him writer credit either. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: May 9, 2007 |  Posts: 137 |
| | Posted: | | | | Back in the 30's and 40's, it was common practice to acknowledge and credit the producer of a stage play when the film in question reproduced the actual staging of the play. Sometimes a playwriter does not specifies the actual staging, leaving that to the producer or director. And by staging I mean, you place an actor here, a prop there, this door over there and X actor will open it at X moment.
Since the films of the 30's & 40's had a tendency to reproduce this staging, it was solicited per contract by the producers to receive credit for the staging. Of course, for more than 50 years now, it is common practice for the playwriter to describe the actual staging so that practice of crediting the producer is pretty rare these days.
Now, I would say that staging is something very much akin to what a director does on a film, (he places this actor there and that actress here) so I wouldn't consider it precisely a writing credit in this particular case. | | | Funny, these cookies don't taste anything like Girl Scouts.
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting SailorRipley: Quote:
Now, I would say that staging is something very much akin to what a director does on a film, (he places this actor there and that actress here) so I wouldn't consider it precisely a writing credit in this particular case. But wouldn't the "staging" actually be included in the screenplay? If so, wouldn't that mean it deserves a "writing" credit. Again, the film makers obviously thought so, since they put it in the middle of the writing credits. | | | | Hal |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
Are we talking about Dodsworth?
Yes. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 951 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
But wouldn't the "staging" actually be included in the screenplay?
If so, wouldn't that mean it deserves a "writing" credit.
Again, the film makers obviously thought so, since they put it in the middle of the writing credits. He's credited as the Producer of the Stage version. Putting him in with the writer credits isn't uncommon when you have Stage Credits. Check out the credits for the numerous Movie Musicals that were based on the Stage Musical. Many times the Producer of the original stage production is credited with those who wrote the Musical Stage Play. Just above the "As Produced for the Stage by" you have the writer of the stage play being credited "Dramatized by". If your going to start crediting the "Producers of the original Stage Productions" as writers, just because they are grouped with the writers of the stage production get ready for a lot of DVD profile changes. | | | Are you local?
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 374 |
| | Posted: | | | | I had a similar cases recently. I decided to stick to the pure wording and let a producer be a producer and a writer a writer, I think the producer of a stage play should not get a writing credit. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,414 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'd give the stage play author an OMB credit, since it expressly says it's based on both the novel and the stage play. I'd give the stage play producer no credit. A producer is not a writer, and he didn't produce the movie. Screenwriter for screenplay. | | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
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