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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dan W: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69
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Please read what I said. You have claimed that the proper way to indicate the case is based on what is outside. Using that logic, DVDs that are released in Keep Cases inside of a Slip Case should have the case type 'Slip Case'. At the moment we are using Keep Case. Based on your statements in the other thread, that is incorrect and we need a case type 'Slip Case' added to the program. I didn't say that.
You may quote this post as an answer to each time this is asked in the future.
The outer case is to be used. The outer case is what you see at the store. This is the same reason we use the outer case for the images. I missed the bolding the first time around so I guess there is one more thing. You claim you did not say that yet you just said it again. If the outer case is to be used, then DVDs released in a Slip Cover...sorry, I said Slip Case earlier but meant Slip Cover...should have a case type of 'Slip Cover' or 'sleeve' which is what you want to start calling them. If that is not what you are saying, please correct me.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 275 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
Quoting Dan W:
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You may quote this post as an answer to each time this is asked in the future.
The outer case is to be used. The outer case is what you see at the store. This is the same reason we use the outer case for the images.
Damn!!!! I like how one or two people decide what will be, and then will not even listen to other peoples concerns. Just force there will on other and Ken just sets back and let the crap flow. |
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 | Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | Sleeve/Slip Cover is not an option in DVD Profiler and Ken has decided not to add it.
"Box Set" as it has been used in this program for these "Slip Cover" cases has been there for quite some time. It has also caused a great deal of troubler due to it's unfortunate name within this program.
You and several others are wanting to use this same case type for some releases yet not for others. Then you expect us to write a set of rules so that the use you prefer makes sense to all. You aren't even agreeing on the use of it yet and something tells me that you never will. Some are already saying just single disc single title releases would be the exceptions while another is saying single title releases would be the exception.
I say, let's keep it simple and use the outer cover and be done with it. After-all, that is what you folks were supposed to be doing all along. | | | | Dan |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 906 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dan W: Quote:
"Box Set" as it has been used in this program for these "Slip Cover" cases has been there for quite some time. It has also caused a great deal of troubler due to it's unfortunate name within this program. From the reactions and the polls in the other threads, there are only a few people that have done it that way though | | | 
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| Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | That only means that a few were listening and got it right. | | | | Dan |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | As I said in another thread... a single line in the case type thread can also keep it simple and give the users what they want...
Use Boxset (slipcase) case type only for boxset profiles. Not for single movie/episode profiles. | | | | Pete |
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| Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
As I said in another thread... a single line in the case type thread can also keep it simple and give the users what they want...
Use Boxset (slipcase) case type only for boxset profiles. Not for single movie/episode profiles. So this is a thinpak? What is this? and this? | | | | Dan | | | | Last edited: by Dan W |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dan W: Quote:
Sleeve/Slip Cover is not an option in DVD Profiler and Ken has decided not to add it. I know it is not an option, if it were, my statment would not have made any sense. What I said is, based on your logic, it is something you should be pushing for. Quote:
"Box Set" as it has been used in this program for these "Slip Cover" cases has been there for quite some time. It has also caused a great deal of troubler due to it's unfortunate name within this program. No argument there. Quote:
You and several others are wanting to use this same case type for some releases yet not for others. Then you expect us to write a set of rules so that the use you prefer makes sense to all. You aren't even agreeing on the use of it yet and something tells me that you never will. Some are already saying just single disc single title releases would be the exceptions while another is saying single title releases would be the exception. I wasn't consulted when the 'case type' thread was created. From what I understand, it was created by you in conjunction with Ken and Jesse. Perhaps that wasn't such a good idea. If more people had been consulted, maybe we wouldn't have had the problems we do now. Quote:
I say, let's keep it simple and use the outer cover and be done with it. After-all, that is what you folks were supposed to be doing all along. That is what you believe we were supposed to be doing all along. Problem is, most people didn't believe that. I am not convinced that you even believed that at the time the thread was created. As I said, I have yet to see a digipack that wasn't contained in something. From what I am hearing from others, they seem to be of the same opinion. With that in mind, there was never a reason for a case type 'digipack'. That being said, I also think we should have a 'real' poll to see how the forum community feels. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dan W: Quote:
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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As I said in another thread... a single line in the case type thread can also keep it simple and give the users what they want...
Use Boxset (slipcase) case type only for boxset profiles. Not for single movie/episode profiles.
So this is a thinpak? According to the rules, we only profile the first disc in that set. That disc is packaged in a 'thinpak'. Yes, the thinpak is packaged inside a box, but that shouldn't matter. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | It's awfully presumptuous of you to guess at what I have and have not been pushing for. Especially when you haven't been keeping up with the request threads on this topic. | | | | Dan |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dan W: Quote:
Sleeve/Slip Cover is not an option in DVD Profiler and Ken has decided not to add it.
The first part of this statement is obviously true, there is no Sleeve/Slip Cover option in DVD Profiler. When did Ken state that he is not going to add it? | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dan W: Quote:
It's awfully presumptuous of you to guess at what I have and have not been pushing for. Especially when you haven't been keeping up with the request threads on this topic. Again, read what I actually wrote. I didn't presume to know what you are pushing for. I simpy stated what I thought, based on your stated logic, you should be pushing for. I thought it was pretty clear, but I will try and make it clearer next time.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 906 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting Dan W:
The first part of this statement is obviously true, there is no Sleeve/Slip Cover option in DVD Profiler.
When did Ken state that he is not going to add it? He didn't, but he listed the ones he were going to add in this thread | | |
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| Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting Dan W:
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It's awfully presumptuous of you to guess at what I have and have not been pushing for. Especially when you haven't been keeping up with the request threads on this topic.
Again, read what I actually wrote. I didn't presume to know what you are pushing for. I simpy stated what I thought, based on your stated logic, you should be pushing for. I thought it was pretty clear, but I will try and make it clearer next time. Looks presumptuous to me. | | | | Dan |
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| Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
As I said, I have yet to see a digipack that wasn't contained in something. From what I am hearing from others, they seem to be of the same opinion. That opinion would be wrong. How many of you have "The Marx Brothers: Silver Screen Collection" 025192125027 or "Notting Hill" 025192127724 or "American Pie" 025192145520 ? There are plenty of others. | | | | Dan | | | | Last edited: by Dan W |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 |  Posts: 426 |
| | Posted: | | | | In Dutch there is a concept called "maatschappelijk draagvlak". I don't know what it's called in English, but it basically means that in legislation, you take into account what the majority of the population deems reasonable. If you have an existing law, that no one follows because it is not reasonable, then that law needs to be reconsidered. Anyway, from the two polls that I held, it was clear that the majority of the DP users do NOT use Boxset casetype if inside the slipcase there is a single box containing multiple movies, let alone 1 movie (which was not in the poll). So I wonder why it has to be forced upon us to now all of a sudden do it differently because that was the rule. It is probably much simpler to just update the rules to suit what is widely accepted by all users. It will also avoid that a whole lot of profiles need to be modified and approved. The reason why the majority of voters voted like that is also because it makes MOST SENSE. The current single-movie 'Dan rule' is illogical for a number of reasons: 1. Why is a sleeve different from a slipcase...? In both cases you have an enclosing that is redundant. Throw it away, and you still have all the info you need. 2. More often than not, a sleeve or slipcase for a certain release will just disappear in time with the same DVD being released without the extra enclosing. A profile for the inner case will be usable for a lot more users than one with the enclosing. 3. The slipcase or sleeve are simply not holding the disks, it's the inner case that does. 4. The reason that that is what you see on the shelves can also be used as a counter argument. If you can see it on the shelves why would you need the info ? It is then the more useful to actually know what is INSIDE without having to remove any shrinkwrap. Unfortunately Ken already decided to change the name Boxset into Slipcase, which makes the whole discussion a lost cause I'm afraid. The name 'Boxset' perfectly matched with boxes that contain multiple items (even if it is only 1 movie, see Dan's Hellboy example). Slipcase clearly also refers to single movies  . |
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