Welcome to the Invelos forums. Please read the forum rules before posting.

Read access to our public forums is open to everyone. To post messages, a free registration is required.

If you have an Invelos account, sign in to post.

    Invelos Forums->General: General Discussion Page: 1 2 3  Previous   Next
War is Over
Author Message
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantGrendell
One disc at a time...
Registered: May 8, 2007
United States Posts: 823
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Here's the official announcement in English:

http://www.toshiba.co.jp/about/press/2008_02/pr1903.htm

Quote:
Toshiba Announces Discontinuation of HD DVD Businesses
19 February, 2008

Company Remains Focused on Championing Consumer Access to High Definition Content

TOKYO--Toshiba Corporation today announced that it has undertaken a thorough review of its overall strategy for HD DVD and has decided it will no longer develop, manufacture and market HD DVD players and recorders. This decision has been made following recent major changes in the market. Toshiba will continue, however, to provide full product support and after-sales service for all owners of Toshiba HD DVD products.

HD DVD was developed to offer consumers access at an affordable price to high-quality, high definition content and prepare them for the digital convergence of tomorrow where the fusion of consumer electronics and IT will continue to progress.

"We carefully assessed the long-term impact of continuing the so-called 'next-generation format war' and concluded that a swift decision will best help the market develop," said Atsutoshi Nishida, President and CEO of Toshiba Corporation. "While we are disappointed for the company and more importantly, for the consumer, the real mass market opportunity for high definition content remains untapped and Toshiba is both able and determined to use our talent, technology and intellectual property to make digital convergence a reality."

Toshiba will continue to lead innovation, in a wide range of technologies that will drive mass market access to high definition content. These include high capacity NAND flash memory, small form factor hard disk drives, next generation CPUs, visual processing, and wireless and encryption technologies. The company expects to make forthcoming announcements around strategic progress in these convergence technologies.

Toshiba will begin to reduce shipments of HD DVD players and recorders to retail channels, aiming for cessation of these businesses by the end of March 2008. Toshiba also plans to end volume production of HD DVD disk drives for such applications as PCs and games in the same timeframe, yet will continue to make efforts to meet customer requirements. The company will continue to assess the position of notebook PCs with integrated HD DVD drives within the overall PC business relative to future market demand.

This decision will not impact on Toshiba's commitment to standard DVD, and the company will continue to market conventional DVD players and recorders. Toshiba intends to continue to contribute to the development of the DVD industry, as a member of the DVD Forum, an international organization with some 200 member companies, committed to the discussion and defining of optimum optical disc formats for the consumer and the related industries.

Toshiba also intends to maintain collaborative relations with the companies who joined with Toshiba in working to build up the HD DVD market, including Universal Studios, Paramount Pictures, and DreamWorks Animation and major Japanese and European content providers on the entertainment side, as well as leaders in the IT industry, including Microsoft, Intel, and HP. Toshiba will study possible collaboration with these companies for future business opportunities, utilizing the many assets generated through the development of HD DVD.
99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1."
Invelos Software, Inc. RepresentativeKen Cole
Invelos Software
Registered: March 10, 2007
United States Posts: 4,282
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Grendell:
Quote:
Quoting Opus T. Penguin:
Your post wasn't offensive, it was informative. That is blatant reputation system abuse. Admins, are you watching?


There is no negative feedback for the post in question.  Either it was removed by another admin or it was removed by the original voter already.

If you receive a feedback vote that you feel is not warranted, first wait 24 hours to see if it is removed, then after that feel free to use the 'Contact Us' or support features to notify us.  Also consider first whether your post could be interpreted badly, sometimes intent is difficult to determine on forum posts.

Please do not post a complaint to the thread as it only adds to whatever argument may have instigated the original feedback, and since feedback is anonymous, guesses about the feedback submitter's identity are not helpful and are almost always wrong.  A large part of the feedback is submitted by users who do not post to the forums at all.
Invelos Software, Inc. Representative
 Last edited: by Gerri Cole
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorlyonsden5
Hello old friends!
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
Posts: 2,372
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Ken Cole:
Quote:
  A large part of the feedback is submitted by users who do not post to the forums at all.


Lurkers.... they're everywhere
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrantkahless
TaH pagh taHbe'!
Registered: March 14, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
Germany Posts: 17,804
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting lyonsden5:
Quote:
Quoting Ken Cole:
Quote:
  A large part of the feedback is submitted by users who do not post to the forums at all.


Lurkers.... they're everywhere


..and "red arrow" snipers
Thorsten
Invelos Software, Inc. RepresentativeKen Cole
Invelos Software
Registered: March 10, 2007
United States Posts: 4,282
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Note that for a feedback to be removed, it must be completely unwarranted.  The threshold we use is somewhat subjective by necessity, but in general terms if the original post could reasonably be interpreted as rude or instigating, we will generally let it stand.

Note however, that patterns of feedback from one user to another receive greater scrutiny.
Invelos Software, Inc. Representative
Invelos Software, Inc. RepresentativeKen Cole
Invelos Software
Registered: March 10, 2007
United States Posts: 4,282
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
And if that fails, we always have:

Invelos Software, Inc. Representative
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorwidescreenforever
Under A Double DoubleW
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
Canada Posts: 5,493
Posted:
PM this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Let's get back to the original post here:

Now that the war is over and I along with 1 million others have purchased and use HDD products today.., There are a number of Options I could follow ., (AFAIK- )  Currently the only 'burners' on the market can only burn regular DVD's but not BD or HDD . If the studios arn't producing HDD movies they have very little to worry about for any illegal purposes in the market place. We could take our Family Home videos and convert them over to HDD with no generational loss in signal and also put a lot more GB onto a single disc over conventional DVD discs. Plus an other upside is Home cable recording.
High Defination digital  cable movies currently being played back in anamorphic widescreen and 5.1 sound.. is a godsend to some, and I would gladly keep my player if I had an opportunity to playback (i.e) Lawrence of Arabia in Hi Def.. HD.NET

(and BTW keeping a personal library of ANY movies/TV  currently playing on Cable TV/Satellite is Not against the law, so please no Red arrows )..   
In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.

Terry
 Last edited: by widescreenforever
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorlyonsden5
Hello old friends!
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
Posts: 2,372
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Ken Cole:
Quote:
And if that fails, we always have:



That explains a LOT! 
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorhal9g
Who is John Galt?
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
United States Posts: 6,635
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting pplchamp:
Quote:
Skip... a word of warning... all those Combo drives / players have been nothing but problematic on both formats. I would avoid them like the plague. Also, if you have not jumped in head first at this point, there is no real need to get a combo drive / player as all previously released HD DVD exclusives will surely find their way to the blu-ray disc format.


That makes the most sense to me.

I returned my Samsung BD-5000UP as soon as it arrived week before last in anticipation of today's "official" announcement.

I have exactly 1 HD DVD.  Why would I need a combo player? 
Hal
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorstevegblair
Registered: March 14, 2007
Canada Posts: 223
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quote:
Currently the only 'burners' on the market can only burn regular DVD's but not BD or HDD


Actually, I have seen blu-ray burners for sale...but they were rather expensive...($500-1000)
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorwidescreenforever
Under A Double DoubleW
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
Canada Posts: 5,493
Posted:
PM this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Yes I see over here there is an HDD burner ready to go ...
In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.

Terry
 Last edited: by widescreenforever
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantOpus T. Penguin
Call me Punkin' Butt
Registered: May 16, 2007
United States Posts: 154
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Grendell:
Quote:
Quoting Opus T. Penguin:
Quote:

And I find you and your post extremely disrespectful.


Your post wasn't offensive, it was informative. That is blatant reputation system abuse. Admins, are you watching?


Thank you very much. I appreciate the support.
Attracted to "svelte buoyant waterfowl".
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantMark Harrison
I like IMDB
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Great Rating
United States Posts: 3,321
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting skipnet50:
Quote:
And your point is, what exactly. I have been following the developments in this for the  several weeks, I have my spies and i knew about Toshiba's plans for quite some time. So what. If you think  I report everything I know when I know it...guess again Opus.

Skip


Forgive my confusion Skip, but if you have your spies and have known about Toshiba's plans for quite some time now, why did you mislead all of us last Friday with this:

Quote:
This is still very muddy water and i don't think the "war" is over yet. In terms of hardware sales the two formats are splitting the market. In terms of software sales BD leads with approximately 60%. However, Sony is getting all excited over BD software sales of 8.3 Million, which when put up against DVD software sales of 1.1 Billion isn't even a drop in the bucket. So, I think we have a ways to go yet.


I'm just trying to understand why 5 days ago you said something completely different.  Why were you unable to spill the beans last week?  And why didn't you just say nothing if you knew this was coming rather then making us all believe the war was far from over?

Please feel free to ignore this post if you've signed some sort of NDA with Toshiba or the BDA.  I wouldn't want you to get into trouble to satisify my own curiousity.
Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here.
Create fake parent profiles to organize your collection.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
Don't be discommodious
Registered: March 13, 2007
United States Posts: 21,610
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Because , Mark as I also said if I were Toshiba, i still have one arrow in my quiver and i will play it for all it's worth. I am not going to reveal any information that I am not comfortable with, that simple. It's not my place. Any more tha I am going to reveal everything I know even now. Why should I, pray tell...ther are too many snipers around here who love to take pot shots.<scratching head>I will teel whatever I am feel I can reveal, if you recall I have revealed more in the past and what have I gotten for my trouble. Not much.<shrugs>

I knew that Toshiba had not merely delayed Star Trek TOS but had in fact cancelled it back in late December and had a very good read on the reason for the cancellation. That's all I have to say on this topic, its usefulness is over, at least for me.

I will editorialize here a little bit a say that IMNHO the consumers lost this battle, they did not make the decision, the decision was made the big boxes who simply wanted to support only one format and made the choice for us. The big winner...likely to be LG and the combo deck if they can get the kinks worked out of it. I think it's too bad that Toshiba left the last arrow on the table, BD will be a weaker format for it. The first known title which will begin to truly showcase BD is going to be predictably from BVHE this October.

Skip
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here

Billy Video
DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantnuoyaxin
prev. known as ya_shin
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
Taiwan, Province of China Posts: 3,436
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
I don't think a combo deck is of any importance at this point. People now getting into the format only need Blu Ray, people who wanted both already have it.

Maybe in a few years a combo player may be attractive to some, who have both kinds of discs and need a replacement player for the HD DVDs.
Achim [諾亞信; Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative)
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
Don't be discommodious
Registered: March 13, 2007
United States Posts: 21,610
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Achim:

AHHHH but there are those who have invested in HD not BD, and now they have to switch, they will go buy a combo deck.

Skip
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here

Billy Video
    Invelos Forums->General: General Discussion Page: 1 2 3  Previous   Next