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Riley, Bob (Republican) - Governor , State of Alabama |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 374 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
You missed the point. You have no idea what the other side of the story is. Do you know the other side of the story? | | | | Last edited: by sugarjoe |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | No, I don't.
But unlike you, I do not assume that the everything I read on the internet is true. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 374 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
No, I don't.
But unlike you, I do not assume that the everything I read on the internet is true. You do not know me, so you have no idea what I believe and what I don't. I this case, I do not assume anything. Nobody questions the fact, that there is DNA evidence. My simple question is why it is not being used when a life is at stake? |
| | Registered: April 8, 2007 | | Posts: 1,057 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hi Guys, Hal I do not know you well enough to recognize when your being sarcastic, or not. Given the seriousness of the topic & the genuine concern, posted here, the matter should be treated with less sarcasm! To countries that do not have 'capital punishment' your remarks (as well as others) can/are perceived, as very barbaric & insensitive. Quote:
But unlike you, I do not assume that the everything I read on the internet is true. More sarcasm, Hal? Sugar - I share your concerns here. Keep in mind the USA is not as mature in its thinking, as other countries (not having death penalty) & a sense of vengeance seems to motivate. Also capital cases, drag on forever, & plenty of opportunities were/are available, to bring up DNA defense, in this particular case. This fellow has exhausted, his efforts, and smells like a last ditch effort to stall & get sympathy working for him, & involvement others. The former governor of Illinois, shares your views, & upon leaving office, commuted all death penalty cases, because of DNA & the possibility of killing an innocent. Did you hear about that? Times they are a change-in Take Care Rico | | | If I felt any better I'd be sick!
Envy is mental theft. If you covet another mans possessions, then you should be willing to take on his responsibilities, heartaches, and troubles, along with his money. D. Koontz |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rico: Quote:
Sugar - I share your concerns here. Keep in mind the USA is not as mature in its thinking, as other countries (not having death penalty) & a sense of vengeance seems to motivate. Capital punishment has nothing to do with "maturity in thinking". Although some may believe in it as a means of vengeance, most believe in it as simple justice. This much I know for certain. Someone who is executed for murder will never murder again. Shall I provide some statistics on recitivism and the numbers of killers who have managed to get paroled and then killed again; or raped again; or molested again; etc., etc. @sugarjoe - you are correct, I do not know you; I only know what you have written here. And based on that, you seem to believe that the guy might be innocent because he says he's inncocent and because he says DNA testing will clear him. You would have to believe that the prosecutor, the judge, the Governor and the Appeals Court are all involved in some kind of a conspiracy to execute this guy in spite of his innocence, if you believe that there is any chance that he is innocent. You would also have to believe that none of those people have any kind of a conscience, that they would allow him to be executed knowing that this DNA test could clear him. After 26 years, these are simply the maneuvers of a desperate individual. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: April 8, 2007 | | Posts: 1,057 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hi Hal, I used the word "SEEMS" this implies my belief, can you explain: Quote:
Capital punishment has nothing to do with "maturity in thinking". Is this just your opinion, or are you speaking on behalf of the USA? Quote:
most believe in it as simple justice. Did I miss a nationwide poll/survey? Or is this just most people Hal knows? Quote:
This much I know for certain. Someone who is executed for murder will never murder again. Very astute Hal, & thanks for reminding us! Quote:
Shall I provide some statistics on recitivism and the numbers of killers who have managed to get paroled and then killed again; or raped again; or molested again; etc., etc.
While there is no denying this is true? Shall I provide statistics on, wrongly accused, who were freed by DNA? Oh! I did (kind of) see comment regarding Illinois ex gov. Quote:
You would have to believe that the prosecutor, the judge, the Governor and the Appeals Court are all involved in some kind of a conspiracy to execute this guy in spite of his innocence, if you believe that there is any chance that he is innocent. You would also have to believe that none of those people have any kind of a conscience, that they would allow him to be executed knowing that this DNA test could clear him.
After 26 years, these are simply the maneuvers of a desperate individual.
HAL I agree! And stated very similar in my previous post! Take Care Amigo Rico | | | If I felt any better I'd be sick!
Envy is mental theft. If you covet another mans possessions, then you should be willing to take on his responsibilities, heartaches, and troubles, along with his money. D. Koontz |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | The only problem I have with this matter is the refusal of the State of Alabama and its governor Riley to allow DNA testing of existing evidence. Mr. Athur's fans claim such evidence is exculpatory and will "prove" his innocence. Other than the view that DNA testing as only a delaying tactic, there doesn't seem to be a lot of reasons why the DNA testing SHOULDN'T be done. For example, no argument has been made that DNA testing would NOT be conclusive or that the preponderance of the other evidence or testimony is so strong that it outweighs DNA results.
There has been more than enough time to conduct the DNA tests -- and I'm sure there are organizations willing to pay for them. What I don't understand is why Alabama won't allow testing which could resolve -- one way or the other -- the question of Mr. Arthur's innocence. Even if this is only the maneuvering of a desperate individual, what harm would be done if it could answer this troubling question? | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 | | | | Last edited: by kdh1949 |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 374 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote:
The only problem I have with this matter is the refusal of the State of Alabama and its governor Riley to allow DNA testing of existing evidence. Mr. Athur's fans claim such evidence is exculpatory and will "prove" his innocence. Other than the view that DNA testing as only a delaying tactic, there doesn't seem to be a lot of reasons why the DNA testing SHOULDN'T be done. For example, no argument has been made that DNA testing would NOT be conclusive or that the preponderance of the other evidence or testimony is so strong that it outweighs DNA results.
There has been more than enough time to conduct the DNA tests -- and I'm sure there are organizations willing to pay for them. What I don't understand is why Alabama won't allow it and insists on going ahead with the execution. Ken, it looks like you are the first one that understands what I actually wanted to express with my posting. Thank you very much.  |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 374 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
@sugarjoe - you are correct, I do not know you; I only know what you have written here. And based on that, you seem to believe that the guy might be innocent because he says he's inncocent and because he says DNA testing will clear him.
NO, I did not say that, I said I have no assumption about his guilt or innocence. But even if the chance is 0.01% that he is innocent, the test should be taken. A human life is just to valuable to waste it by mistake. | | | | Last edited: by sugarjoe |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote:
Other than the view that DNA testing as only a delaying tactic, there doesn't seem to be a lot of reasons why the DNA testing SHOULDN'T be done. For example, no argument has been made that DNA testing would NOT be conclusive or that the preponderance of the other evidence or testimony is so strong that it outweighs DNA results.
Actually, if you'd like to read the court's opinion it states quite clearly why DNA testing would not change the outcome of the trial: Judge's OpinionGo down to item 27 and click on "Judges Opinion" | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting sugarjoe: Quote:
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@sugarjoe - you are correct, I do not know you; I only know what you have written here. And based on that, you seem to believe that the guy might be innocent because he says he's inncocent and because he says DNA testing will clear him.
NO, I did not say that, I said I have no assumption about his guilt or innocence. But even if the chance is 0.01% that he is innocent, the test should be taken. A human life is just to valuable to waste it by mistake. Read the facts of the case (link above) and I believe you will see that this is nothing but a stalling tactic. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 374 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Read the facts of the case (link above) and I believe you will see that this is nothing but a stalling tactic. No, I do not see that. And after being in the death row for 26 years, a week more or less does not make the difference. You still have not given me a reason why the test should not be done. You believe he is guilty, the test would actually prove it 100%. | | | | Last edited: by sugarjoe |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting sugarjoe: Quote:
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Read the facts of the case (link above) and I believe you will see that this is nothing but a stalling tactic.
No, I do not see that. And after being in the death row for 26 years, a week more or less does not make the difference. You still have not given me a reason why the test should not be done. You believe he is guilty, the test would actually prove it 100%. No, the rest of the facts of the case prove it. Did you actually read what it says. I doubt it. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 374 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
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Read the facts of the case (link above) and I believe you will see that this is nothing but a stalling tactic.
No, I do not see that. And after being in the death row for 26 years, a week more or less does not make the difference. You still have not given me a reason why the test should not be done. You believe he is guilty, the test would actually prove it 100%.
No, the rest of the facts of the case prove it. Did you actually read what it says. I doubt it. We do not need discuss the case here, some people say that no physical evidence links him to the crime. I recommend the DVD '12 angry men' The point is not whether Arthur is guilty or innocent. The point is DNA testing should be allowed. There should not be a time limit on accessing your evidence. | | | | Last edited: by sugarjoe |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting sugarjoe: Quote:
...some people say that no physical evidence links him to the crime.
"Some people" need to read the facts of the case. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 374 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
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...some people say that no physical evidence links him to the crime.
"Some people" need to read the facts of the case. Since you are one of them, which physical evidence does link him to the crime? | | | | Last edited: by sugarjoe |
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