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| Registered: March 10, 2009 | | Posts: 2,248 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting brimac5477:
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Talentless? Carrie Underwood, Kelly Clarkson, and Chris Daughtry are as good as ANYONE in their respective music genres. and Adam Lambert is probably the most unique performer the music industry has seen in a while. How many awards does Carrie have to win? Does that mean people like Miley Cyrus, the Jonas Brothers, among others are true talent because they didnt come from the show? Come on! You could argue that the majority of rappers are talentless if there music isn't your bag. What makes guys like Jay-Z, 50 Cent, etc.. "talent". And besides Simon Cowell isn't the only one who is cashing in on the kids from idol!! 
Agreed. For being 'talentless wonders' they sure have sold a lot of albums in the US:
Carrie Underwood - 10,396,000 sold
Kelly Clarkson - 10,389,000 sold
Chris Daughtry - 5,278,000 sold
Like 'em or not, you can't argue with those kinds of numbers. Album sales are not a real representation of talent. But if you want to argue on that bases can't argue with the fact the Beatles have sold a billion Albums or U2 have sold over a 130 million. Then again other classic albums like the holy bible by the Manic Street Preachers sold penuts These idiots you speak of have generic sing voices and unoriginal song writing. I be surprised if they even write there own song. Most Yanks have never heard of the Manics. There one of the greatest bands never to have made it. | | | | Last edited: by ShinyDiscGuy |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting FilmAlba: Quote:
Album sales are not a real representation of talent. But if you want to argue on that bases can't argue with the fact the Beatles have sold a billion Albums or U2 have sold over a 130 million. Are you really going to compare people who have been around for a couple of years with mega groups? Give me a break.  Quote:
Then again other classic albums like the holy bible by the Manic Street Preachers sold penuts These idiots you speak of have generic sing voices and unoriginal song writing. So the truth comes out, if you like a group, they are great and, even though nobody has heard of them, they have 'clasic' albums, but if you don't like them they are idiots. Again, give me a break. Quote:
I be surprised if they even write there own song. Then be surprised as all three I mentioned do. Quote:
Most Yanks have never heard of the Manics. There one of the greatest bands never to have made it. How can they be 'great' if they never made it? Oh, that's right, because you like them. Again, and for the last time, give me a break.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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We will teach it to them again.
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| | Registered: March 10, 2009 | | Posts: 2,248 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting FilmAlba:
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Album sales are not a real representation of talent. But if you want to argue on that bases can't argue with the fact the Beatles have sold a billion Albums or U2 have sold over a 130 million.
Are you really going to compare people who have been around for a couple of years with mega groups? Give me a break.
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Then again other classic albums like the holy bible by the Manic Street Preachers sold penuts These idiots you speak of have generic sing voices and unoriginal song writing.
So the truth comes out, if you like a group, they are great and, even though nobody has heard of them, they have 'clasic' albums, but if you don't like them they are idiots. Again, give me a break.
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I be surprised if they even write there own song.
Then be surprised as all three I mentioned do.
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Most Yanks have never heard of the Manics. There one of the greatest bands never to have made it.
How can they be 'great' if they never made it? Oh, that's right, because you like them. Again, and for the last time, give me a break. Oh yeah give one of these guys another couple of years there going to make a Sgt Peppers like NOT! There mast manufactured morons that will virtually have been forgotten about by then. They lack creativity and there voices are so generic it's painful on the ears. Just because an album is not mainstream successful does not mean it's not great. Closer by Joy Division up till 1987 no one had ever really heard of Joy Division. Now they are praised as being one of the great innovators of music. I know what you want for Christmas. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 1,380 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting FilmAlba: Quote:
There mast manufactured morons that will virtually have been forgotten about by then. They lack creativity and there voices are so generic it's painful on the ears. If they suck so much and people hate them, then why have i heard literally dozens of remixes of e.g. Kelly Clarksons songs? And i mean remixes into really small genres. You don't decide what people like. Quoting FilmAlba: Quote:
Just because an album is not mainstream successful does not mean it's not great. Just because an album is mainstream successful does not mean it's not great. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 951 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting FilmAlba: Quote:
Album sales are not a real representation of talent. But if you want to argue on that bases can't argue with the fact the Beatles have sold a billion Albums or U2 have sold over a 130 million.
Then again other classic albums like the holy bible by the Manic Street Preachers sold penuts These idiots you speak of have generic sing voices and unoriginal song writing.
I be surprised if they even write there own song.
Most Yanks have never heard of the Manics. There one of the greatest bands never to have made it.
As a nightclub DJ I can tell you most music falls into the POP/Urban category. Most music being produced is meant to be enjoyed in the moment. Of the hundreds of songs I receive each month only a handful ever get played and of those that get played only a small number of those get played in the following months or years to come. As far as “Most Yanks have never heard” comment you are going to find most Americans are not familiar with the music artists overseas unless their music gets licensed in the US. It’s not because we ignore these artists just they don’t have a record label in the US so their music doesn’t get played here. Just like movies not everyone is going to like the same movie as with any other entertainment medium everyone isn’t going to like the same song or artist. Sure a thirteen year old girl is going to love Miley Cyrus or Jonas Brothers but, a 30 year old probably won’t care. You have to remember American Idol like X-Factor is looking for the next Pop Star not the next John Lennon. They are trying to find someone that can sell a lot of records, so sometimes the most talented isn’t the same as the most popular. | | | Are you local?
This is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways. |
| | Registered: September 29, 2008 | | Posts: 384 |
| | Posted: | | | | FilmAlba, the thing I think you fail to see is that in the entertainment business, or at least most of it, talent and success don't necessarily go hand in hand. While you can say these groups have no talent, they certainly have a talent for appealing to the mass markets. And I believe that's what they're shooting for. Now to be clear, I don't listen to any of these bands/singers as it's just not my taste in music, but I do recognize that they are successful and I applaud them for that. I've really never watched American Idol and won't unless they had some Metal bands performing  . Anyway, point is, just like movies, a "classic" movie in your eyes may be a complete bore to others and may not succeed in the box office. And while a critically canned movie like Transformers 2 may be trash in your eyes, it's made tons of money (just an example, not saying you did hate that movie). Both have their own kind of "talent" in my opinion and am happy that both exist. I see music in the same light. It's near impossible to really critique anything that can be viewed as "art". Some people think Piet Mondrian's paintings were fantastic:  I personally don't see the appeal in this sort of abstract art, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have talent. He certainly has become famous and people like his work enough for him to become so. I also think a lot of underground artists have lots of unrecognized talent like you. I listen to mostly Black and Gothic Metal. Do these artists have talent even though they aren't that popular. I think they do. Do they have more talent than those who have mainstream appeal. No, I don't think so, but they certainly appeal to my tastes more.  Anyway, I don't care at all about American Idol, but it has a place in our entertainment business so more power to them.  | | | | "The perfect is the enemy of the good." - Voltaire | | | | Last edited: by Vittra |
| | Registered: March 10, 2009 | | Posts: 2,248 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Tracer: Quote:
Quoting FilmAlba:
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Album sales are not a real representation of talent. But if you want to argue on that bases can't argue with the fact the Beatles have sold a billion Albums or U2 have sold over a 130 million.
Then again other classic albums like the holy bible by the Manic Street Preachers sold penuts These idiots you speak of have generic sing voices and unoriginal song writing.
I be surprised if they even write there own song.
Most Yanks have never heard of the Manics. There one of the greatest bands never to have made it.
As a nightclub DJ I can tell you most music falls into the POP/Urban category. Most music being produced is meant to be enjoyed in the moment. Of the hundreds of songs I receive each month only a handful ever get played and of those that get played only a small number of those get played in the following months or years to come.
As far as “Most Yanks have never heard” comment you are going to find most Americans are not familiar with the music artists overseas unless their music gets licensed in the US. It’s not because we ignore these artists just they don’t have a record label in the US so their music doesn’t get played here.
Just like movies not everyone is going to like the same movie as with any other entertainment medium everyone isn’t going to like the same song or artist. Sure a thirteen year old girl is going to love Miley Cyrus or Jonas Brothers but, a 30 year old probably won’t care.
You have to remember American Idol like X-Factor is looking for the next Pop Star not the next John Lennon. They are trying to find someone that can sell a lot of records, so sometimes the most talented isn’t the same as the most popular. True but ppl here are saying they actually like these guys. It worry's me truly but oh well. |
| | Registered: March 10, 2009 | | Posts: 2,248 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Vittra: Quote:
FilmAlba, the thing I think you fail to see is that in the entertainment business, or at least most of it, talent and success don't necessarily go hand in hand. While you can say these groups have no talent, they certainly have a talent for appealing to the mass markets. And I believe that's what they're shooting for.
Now to be clear, I don't listen to any of these bands/singers as it's just not my taste in music, but I do recognize that they are successful and I applaud them for that. I've really never watched American Idol and won't unless they had some Metal bands performing .
Anyway, point is, just like movies, a "classic" movie in your eyes may be a complete bore to others and may not succeed in the box office. And while a critically canned movie like Transformers 2 may be trash in your eyes, it's made tons of money (just an example, not saying you did hate that movie). Both have their own kind of "talent" in my opinion and am happy that both exist.
I see music in the same light. It's near impossible to really critique anything that can be viewed as "art". Some people think Piet Mondrian's paintings were fantastic:
I personally don't see the appeal in this sort of abstract art, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have talent. He certainly has become famous and people like his work enough for him to become so. Anyway, I don't care at all about American Idol, but it has a place in our entertainment business so more power to them. There are certain things you can respect and say ok that means nothing to me but i see the profoundness in it and the reasoning as to why that person might like it. The only reason i see someone liking American Idol or anything of that nature there stupid and ignorant. There's nothing of relevance to it than constituents it being an art form. |
| | Registered: September 29, 2008 | | Posts: 384 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting FilmAlba: Quote:
The only reason i see someone liking American Idol or anything of that nature there stupid and ignorant.
That's too bad, as a statement like this can make you seem the same way, and this is coming from someone who doesn't like American Idol.  | | | | "The perfect is the enemy of the good." - Voltaire |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | I had never watched American Idol. But, one night I was changing channels and happened to catch Adam Lambert singing. I made sure I watched every episode after that because I wanted to hear this amazing voice. I doubt I will watch it again, I can't imagine that anyone else can captivate me as much as this young man's talent. | | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
| | Registered: May 22, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,033 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting FilmAlba: Quote:
The only reason i see someone liking American Idol or anything of that nature is because they're stupid and ignorant.
There's nothing of relevance to it that constitutes it being an art form. | | | | Last edited: by Agrare |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 951 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting FilmAlba: Quote:
True but ppl here are saying they actually like these guys. It worry's me truly but oh well. Sure they do, their music is fun and enjoyable. Maybe not for everyone but, for the masses they are. When I play music I want people to dance and have a good time.  I play Carrie Underwood and Miley Cyrus all the time. If is is popular it gets played. | | | Are you local?
This is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways. |
| | Registered: March 10, 2009 | | Posts: 2,248 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Tracer: Quote:
Quoting FilmAlba:
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True but ppl here are saying they actually like these guys. It worry's me truly but oh well.
Sure they do, their music is fun and enjoyable. Maybe not for everyone but, for the masses they are.
When I play music I want people to dance and have a good time.
I play Carrie Underwood and Miley Cyrus all the time. If is is popular it gets played. I guess in that case they dance to this then. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 951 |
| | Posted: | | | | Do the UK clubs even play Cliff Richard anymore? | | | Are you local?
This is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways. |
| | Registered: March 10, 2009 | | Posts: 2,248 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Tracer: Quote:
Do the UK clubs even play Cliff Richard anymore? I think it was made policy in England to drive ppl out the clubs for closing time to play Cliff Richard music. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Vittra: Quote:
Quoting FilmAlba:
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The only reason i see someone liking American Idol or anything of that nature there stupid and ignorant.
That's too bad, as a statement like this can make you seem the same way, and this is coming from someone who doesn't like American Idol. Too right...and thanks for your posts. Like you, I don't have to like something for it to have value. It it appeals to some people, clearly it has value to them and I will not insult them because we don't share the same taste. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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