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Film Fans We Are In Major Trouble!! |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting FilmAlba: Quote:
Well i hardly think there going to post a statement with there plan to f' every one up the a'hole who ever put faith in physical media. I'm reading between the lines i see the future and it's closer than i dare hope it to be.
The phasing out is coming i hope im wrong but i doubt it. Blu-ray is just going to be nothing more than mostly a gimmick than a real format with a few well known great films on the format but in terms of having a significant library of film and TV the likes of DVD it's doomed. I just wanted to know if you had concrete information or whether it was just 'a feeling'. Now I know. Thanks. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | People say there is no interest in downloads but that does nothing to explain the proliferation of digital copies now being included with discs. I doubt there's a single person on this board, myself included, that actually wants downloads. That doesn't mean that they aren't coming.
Frankly, the whole situation is one of the reasons I sometimes find myself resenting Blu Ray. The bottom line is that every dollar a studio wastes producing a Blu Ray is a dollar not being spent producing new SD discs. Not that I really care about SD, but the last thing I want to see is a complete waste of resources dumping out the top 1000 films of all time...again. If discs are going away, I'd rather get completely new material that I can put on my shelf instead of rehashes of the same crap I already own.
At the end of the day, I believe that discs will be around for a long time to come. However, the market will continue to erode such that it will no longer be profitable to put out that little specialty title on disc. As it stands now, many studios are moving to this incredibly crappy burn-on-demand model where we pay big prices for some ugly video-quality transfers of those favorite little niche titles we desire. It doesn't take a genius to see this whole business model shifting to download in the not-too-distant future, at least for the deep catalog stuff. | | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
| | Registered: March 28, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,299 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
I doubt there's a single person on this board, myself included, that actually wants downloads. I most definitely want downloads. Not as the sole delivery model mind you, but I'm very much looking forward to a future where I have instant access to thousands upon thousands of movies. I know in the states you kinda already have this available via Netflix streaming, but that's yet to be available here and from what I hear it leaves some to be desired. But yeah, I'm one who can't wait for the download revolution to come. | | | Tags, tags, bo bags, banana fana fo fags, mi my mo mags, TAGS!
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,321 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Astrakan: Quote:
I most definitely want downloads. Not as the sole delivery model mind you, but I'm very much looking forward to a future where I have instant access to thousands upon thousands of movies. I know in the states you kinda already have this available via Netflix streaming, but that's yet to be available here and from what I hear it leaves some to be desired. I've used Netflix streaming and love it (when it works well). I have no desire to give up my discs, but I've discovered some true gems on there that I most likely would never have experienced otherwise. I've watched The IT Crowd twice already and plan to pick up the DVDs. And I only watched it on a whim one night because it was there and free. It hadn't even been on my radar prior to that. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here.
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| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Astrakan: Quote:
1) The mass market format intended for your average Joe. This is currently DVD and it will eventually give way to downloads and streaming.
Sorry but I'm a dvd guy all the way, don't have a Blu-ray player, don't have any Blu-ray, not in the least interested by the new format and I sure don't feel like a regular Joe... I'm a collector of exploitation/adult films and I sure don't care about high definition format that clean the original materials to the point of not feeling the vibes of the film anymore. Sometimes even a dvd conversion remove this vibes... It isn't because someone don't care about the high definition format that he is automatically Joe Regular... | | | | Last edited: by Jimmy S |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Anything which removes unreliable technology and replaces it with a technology with fewer glitches, and a propensity to remain high quality for a longer time is good. Start with basic audio recording. Listening to a record was beautiful, as long as the record was only played once in a completely dust-free environment. The act of the stylus touching the groove distorted it, and any dust was nearly impossible to completely eliminate. So every play of an LP was worse than the play immediately before it. Tape would demagnatize, flake, and had other issues with maintaining a consistant speed (unclean capstans & rollers). These tape problems were contained in videotape as well. Even digital discs have problems. Cleanliness (or specifically the lack thereof) can affect reproduction, and any mechanical system can fail after use.
So we need to eliminate both the bother of the perfectly clean environment and the posibility of mechanical inconsistancies and ultimate failures. Even a hard disc system can contain these failures. Flash memory seems to be a good system to overcome these problems. Nothing moves, and dirt and fog have nearly zero impact on reproduction.
My problem with digital downloads is the availability of obscure works. Perhaps there is an incentive to make a single digital master of low demand works of art. There would be less profit because of fewer downloads, but would lose the costs of multiple discs. Multiple downloads would be highly profitable, but even one download would be cheaper than making a single disc.
As long as the library is huge, and available at every moment forever, the central digital download library can be cool. I want everything availble at any moment I choose. | | | If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.
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| | Registered: May 9, 2007 |  Posts: 1,536 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Astrakan: Quote:
Quoting mdnitoil:
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I doubt there's a single person on this board, myself included, that actually wants downloads.
I most definitely want downloads. Not as the sole delivery model mind you, but I'm very much looking forward to a future where I have instant access to thousands upon thousands of movies. I know in the states you kinda already have this available via Netflix streaming, but that's yet to be available here and from what I hear it leaves some to be desired.
But yeah, I'm one who can't wait for the download revolution to come. A problem with download models is that it comes with distribution restrictions that don't exist (or are unenforceable) with physical media. As you point out, there is currently a system in the US. But Amazon (and others) restrict their Video on Demand to web addresses in the US. An additional worry is that DRM allows time and other restrictions on the use of content that is digitally provided. When I own something, I want to definitely own it... | | | | Hans |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | That is my main worry as well. And a related issue is being able to use these downloads on various systems (home, car, mobile etc.). |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Me thinks Alba's claims are just a tad premature. Warner has inked a deal witg Technicolor to take over authoring.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well, Warner can plan to do whatever they want. The issue is the fact that overall disc sales have been steadily decreasing for years now. One could even call it a trend.
In actuality, Warner is preparing for any future. Go to their web store right now and any disc you want to buy there is a slightly cheaper download alternative. They already have the files created. They're just waiting for the appropriate delivery system. |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Disc sales have been decreasing, but this is because all the important catalog movies have been released, so there's less that people have a reason to buy. When new release sales see a significant decline, then you can talk about the death of physical media. | | | | Last edited: by Ace_of_Sevens |
| | Registered: March 28, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,299 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Staid S Barr: Quote:
When I own something, I want to definitely own it... I agree. This is why I mentioned "downloads" and "streaming" as two separate things in my first post in this thread. I realize that in order to stream something it has to be downloaded to your machine, but with "downloads" I'm referring to "download to own" and with "streaming" I'm referring to "download to rent." I'm thinking the two methodologies will go mainstream at the same time though, so using "downloads" as a catch-all phrase works well. Point is, I'm very much looking forward to downloads going mainstream so I can rent movies instantly. For myself I'm envisioning a future where my buying is severely reduced to only 20ish movies a year, and the rest will be viewed via streaming. Quoting AESP_pres: Quote:
It isn't because someone don't care about the high definition format that he is automatically Joe Regular... Pick some other term if you want, but my point remains: I think there'll be two formats, one for those who don't care about the A/V improvements that HD offer, and another for those that do. On a side note: image quality is just one side of the HD coin. On the other you have sound quality, which is vastly improved. In fact, I'd argue that the difference in sound can sometimes be greater than the difference in picture. | | | Tags, tags, bo bags, banana fana fo fags, mi my mo mags, TAGS!
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| | Registered: March 10, 2009 | | Posts: 2,248 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
Disc sales have been decreasing, but this is because all the important catalog movies have been released, so there's less that people have a reason to buy. When new release sales see a significant decline, then you can talk about the death of physical media. Latest chart revenue  | | | | Last edited: by ShinyDiscGuy |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Your chart show that it's almost the same that it was last year. A decrease of sale in january is perfectly normal. I've one question about your chart, did it count only sales from physical stores or does it count web stores also (and all of them, not just the biggest one like Amazon)? It makes a big difference since more and more collectors doesn't buy in physical stores anymore due to the lack of product available in them.
Just like I always say the blu-ray format remains a niche format that was launch way too soon and will never took the majority of the market because of that. |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AESP_pres: Quote:
Just like I always say the blu-ray format remains a niche format that was launch way too soon and will never took the majority of the market because of that. It's not like it was compromised to launch early, at least not in ways that weren't rectified later. I'm not sure how its launch date hinders it. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
Quoting AESP_pres:
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Just like I always say the blu-ray format remains a niche format that was launch way too soon and will never took the majority of the market because of that.
It's not like it was compromised to launch early, at least not in ways that weren't rectified later. I'm not sure how its launch date hinders it. This is sort of a side topic, but the launch date hinders it because they plainly launched too soon. At the time it came out, there was no particular need for the format. Hi-def displays had barely penetrated 10% of the homes, so the target install base hadn't even matured. The reality is that SD sales started slipping, for whatever reason, and studios/manufacturers panicked and pushed Blu out the door, thinking it would be the magic bullet to recover sales. Now you have large percentages of people who still don't have HD displays and are finding that they can live just fine without BR. It's not a lesson they're likely to forget over the next few years, further hampering it's growth. Ideally, they would have waited until hi-def was in the majority of homes and then they could have built up an appetite for hi-def media. As it stands now, there are way too many people who still can't perceive that great a difference. Doesn't mean the difference isn't there, they just aren't seeing it, or at the very least not appreciating it. Back on topic, the sales chart shows that overall disc sales are down a net of 100 million from last year. Of course sales are down in January. They're down every January. But for the entire year, the industry made 100 million less last year. The trend has been the same for the last 4 years. Doesn't matter if the data is based on brick and morter or etailers, total sales are down. The reason you're not able to buy anything in physical stores is because the stuff was no longer selling and just wasting shelf space. Traditionally not the sign of a healthy market. | | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
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