Welcome to the Invelos forums. Please read the forum rules before posting.

Read access to our public forums is open to everyone. To post messages, a free registration is required.

If you have an Invelos account, sign in to post.

    Invelos Forums->General: General Discussion Page: 1 2 3 4  Previous   Next
I don't think BD is going to overtake DVD for a while.
Author Message
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantShinyDiscGuy
Registered: March 10, 2009
Posts: 2,248
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Retailers are increasingly finding not much benefit in carrying DVD's as the prices of DVD's are so low. By 2012 once sales on other genres start to rapidly pick up. This will lead to a large scale back on DVD.

Even if this results in a loss of billion which it probably will for the industry. The long term benefits will far out way the short term.
 Last edited: by ShinyDiscGuy
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorcvermeylen
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
Belgium Posts: 1,946
Posted:
PM this userVisit this user's homepageDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting bigdaddyhorse:
Quote:
I have Blus of Night of the Creeps, New York Ripper and Galaxy of Terror, so anything else is just gravy from here!
The format rules, watch Galaxy of Terror in HD and try saying it doesn't, you can't! Comparing the New York Ripper BD to the old dvd is comical how bad the dvd now looks.


I've been purchasing the Shout Factory releases of the Roger Corman titles as well. So far, I received Star Crash, Forbidden World and Humanoids from the Deep. Haven't watched any of the yet, but did a quick check how the image quality looked, and I was blown away. I only owned Star Crash on DVD, but the difference is huge!
View my collection at http://www.chriskepolis.be/home/dvd.htm

Chris
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantAlien Redrum
Proudly blocked by liars.
Registered: August 23, 2008
Reputation: High Rating
United States Posts: 1,656
Posted:
PM this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting FilmAlba:
Quote:
Retailers are increasingly finding not much benefit in carrying DVD's as the prices of DVD's are so low.


That doesn't even make sense. By going by that logic, Bestbuy would stop carrying everything under $10. If the demand is there, and there's a profit margin, retail price is irrelevant.
Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com

"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo.
 Last edited: by Alien Redrum
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantShinyDiscGuy
Registered: March 10, 2009
Posts: 2,248
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Alien Redrum:
Quote:
Quoting FilmAlba:
Quote:
Retailers are increasingly finding not much benefit in carrying DVD's as the prices of DVD's are so low.


That doesn't even make sense. By going by that logic, Bestbuy would stop carrying everything under $10. If the demand is there, and there's a profit margin, retail price is irrelevant.


It won't be like everything DVD will get thrown out in week. There will be a gradual phasing out period of 2 to 3 year to knock off DVD in favour of a more profitable format.

That format currently being Blu-ray. Once it reaches a certain point and that point don't have to be 50% . Would not surprise me if it was 25% and they start phasing out.

I have said all along it won't be the consumers who ultimately decide DVD's fate it will be the industry.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantShinyDiscGuy
Registered: March 10, 2009
Posts: 2,248
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Put it another way if they don't make a push to get ppl on to HD then DVD will be around forever. For a lot of you guys you would love that but for the industry it would be a disaster.

If Blu-ray fails so does the next thing after that which is more than likely holographic. That's how DVD came around in the first place was to replace laser disc which had failed to take over from VHS.

The industry never thought DVD would do so well they thought they have to eventually push it but consumer demand done the job for them.
 Last edited: by ShinyDiscGuy
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantDan W
Registered: May 9, 2002
Registered: March 13, 2007
Posts: 980
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Alien Redrum:
Quote:
Quoting FilmAlba:
Quote:
Retailers are increasingly finding not much benefit in carrying DVD's as the prices of DVD's are so low.


That doesn't even make sense. By going by that logic, Bestbuy would stop carrying everything under $10. If the demand is there, and there's a profit margin, retail price is irrelevant.


As much as it pains me to say it, the future for Joe Six-pack is streaming video and Kiosk purchases. Blu-Ray will undoubtedly take over the home "movie-market" for those who want to "purchase" a copy but look for a kiosk in your local Best Buy (at least for music) within the next 12 months.
Dan
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantShinyDiscGuy
Registered: March 10, 2009
Posts: 2,248
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Dan W:
Quote:
Quoting Alien Redrum:
Quote:
Quoting FilmAlba:
Quote:
Retailers are increasingly finding not much benefit in carrying DVD's as the prices of DVD's are so low.


That doesn't even make sense. By going by that logic, Bestbuy would stop carrying everything under $10. If the demand is there, and there's a profit margin, retail price is irrelevant.


As much as it pains me to say it, the future for Joe Six-pack is streaming video and Kiosk purchases. Blu-Ray will undoubtedly take over the home "movie-market" for those who want to "purchase" a copy but look for a kiosk in your local Best Buy (at least for music) within the next 12 months.


Streaming will take a large part of the rental market till the infrastructure is in place. I think streaming is the way forward though and it's also very good for the environment.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantAlien Redrum
Proudly blocked by liars.
Registered: August 23, 2008
Reputation: High Rating
United States Posts: 1,656
Posted:
PM this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Dan W:
Quote:
Quoting Alien Redrum:
Quote:
Quoting FilmAlba:
Quote:
Retailers are increasingly finding not much benefit in carrying DVD's as the prices of DVD's are so low.


That doesn't even make sense. By going by that logic, Bestbuy would stop carrying everything under $10. If the demand is there, and there's a profit margin, retail price is irrelevant.


As much as it pains me to say it, the future for Joe Six-pack is streaming video and Kiosk purchases. Blu-Ray will undoubtedly take over the home "movie-market" for those who want to "purchase" a copy but look for a kiosk in your local Best Buy (at least for music) within the next 12 months.


I've always agreed with this. I just don't see Blu-ray ever reaching the level of DVD (as far as availability and shelf space). For the average consumer, streaming is not only satisfactory, but it's more convenient. What I see happening is Blu will not overtake DVD, but rather streaming will. The shelf space in your Best Buys that now hold DVD will eventually either go away or get much smaller, and it won't be replaced with Blu because, sadly, there's not that huge of a market for it.

Either way, though, Blu is not the future. It's a better alternative to DVD and streaming for the people that have embraced it, but for the vast majority of consumers, it's not appealing enough, and it's those that determine the market, even if the Blu technology is better. Just ask Beta and Laser Disc users.

*edit*

I meant to add, if Blu takes over the market (which it might, but I don't see that any time in the next few years), it will be a very small market. Perhaps a bit bigger than laserdisc, but not much.
Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com

"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo.
 Last edited: by Alien Redrum
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorwidescreenforever
Under A Double DoubleW
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
Canada Posts: 5,494
Posted:
PM this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
another area that I believe DVD always wins out over Blueray is ( besides the price) is the 'ability' to start up fast and 'hold that position'  on the disc if you stop during the movie and shut off the player..

When you fire up the player (with standard dvd in the drawer) the player immediately finds the 'last spot you were at' and you can continue the movie.. But with the Blue ray disc you find yourself back at the FBI warning and all the opening fanfare and commercials again ..

I know,, I know, you could pin point the area with favorites and all that but sometimes when you have to go you have to go now and you just hit stop and  turn off ....... So the Blue Ray High def disc is like starting up your Home PC because technically that is what all this is .., But standard DVD is like playing back your music CDs , 'quick and fast' ..
So with all this is mind I believe that standard DVD's are not quite going the way of the VHS/beta technology yet.
In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.

Terry
 Last edited: by widescreenforever
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantShinyDiscGuy
Registered: March 10, 2009
Posts: 2,248
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Alien Redrum:
Quote:
Quoting Dan W:
Quote:
Quoting Alien Redrum:
Quote:
Quoting FilmAlba:
Quote:
Retailers are increasingly finding not much benefit in carrying DVD's as the prices of DVD's are so low.


That doesn't even make sense. By going by that logic, Bestbuy would stop carrying everything under $10. If the demand is there, and there's a profit margin, retail price is irrelevant.


As much as it pains me to say it, the future for Joe Six-pack is streaming video and Kiosk purchases. Blu-Ray will undoubtedly take over the home "movie-market" for those who want to "purchase" a copy but look for a kiosk in your local Best Buy (at least for music) within the next 12 months.


I've always agreed with this. I just don't see Blu-ray ever reaching the level of DVD (as far as availability and shelf space). For the average consumer, streaming is not only satisfactory, but it's more convenient. What I see happening is Blu will not overtake DVD, but rather streaming will. The shelf space in your Best Buys that now hold DVD will eventually either go away or get much smaller, and it won't be replaced with Blu because, sadly, there's not that huge of a market for it.

Either way, though, Blu is not the future. It's a better alternative to DVD and streaming for the people that have embraced it, but for the vast majority of consumers, it's not appealing enough, and it's those that determine the market, even if the Blu technology is better. Just ask Beta and Laser Disc users.

*edit*

I meant to add, if Blu takes over the market (which it might, but I don't see that any time in the next few years), it will be a very small market. Perhaps a bit bigger than Laserdisc, but not much.


What the hell are you talking about. Blu-ray got more of a market share in 2 years than Laserdisc did in a whole decade. The only thing that is holding Blu-ray back is that certain titles are not reaching the numbers which others are hitting.



As you can see from this chart of last weeks sales there is a trend of certain titles that at this time are not selling as much on Blu-ray.

Yet a lot of other titles are selling very well. Once this trend starts to change Blu-ray revenue and percentage will shoot up very fast.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantDan W
Registered: May 9, 2002
Registered: March 13, 2007
Posts: 980
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Alien Redrum:
Quote:
Quoting Dan W:
Quote:
Quoting Alien Redrum:
Quote:
Quoting FilmAlba:
Quote:
Retailers are increasingly finding not much benefit in carrying DVD's as the prices of DVD's are so low.


That doesn't even make sense. By going by that logic, Bestbuy would stop carrying everything under $10. If the demand is there, and there's a profit margin, retail price is irrelevant.


As much as it pains me to say it, the future for Joe Six-pack is streaming video and Kiosk purchases. Blu-Ray will undoubtedly take over the home "movie-market" for those who want to "purchase" a copy but look for a kiosk in your local Best Buy (at least for music) within the next 12 months.


I've always agreed with this. I just don't see Blu-ray ever reaching the level of DVD (as far as availability and shelf space). For the average consumer, streaming is not only satisfactory, but it's more convenient. What I see happening is Blu will not overtake DVD, but rather streaming will. The shelf space in your Best Buys that now hold DVD will eventually either go away or get much smaller, and it won't be replaced with Blu because, sadly, there's not that huge of a market for it.

Either way, though, Blu is not the future. It's a better alternative to DVD and streaming for the people that have embraced it, but for the vast majority of consumers, it's not appealing enough, and it's those that determine the market, even if the Blu technology is better. Just ask Beta and Laser Disc users.

*edit*

I meant to add, if Blu takes over the market (which it might, but I don't see that any time in the next few years), it will be a very small market. Perhaps a bit bigger than laserdisc, but not much.


In the local BB stores where I live, Blu-Ray already has more shelf space than DVD. One store has already scaled back the CD's to almost nothing and more cutbacks on DVD are planned.

Some may cling to DVD (I have no plans to get rid of mine) but it is easily surpassed in quality by streaming video and will be gone shortly. Soon the only Disc video media available in a storefront setting will be Blu-Ray. Once that occurs even the online stores will be forced to discontinue DVD sales. Take another look at the Blu-ray shelves in the larger stores or on-line and you will see an marked increase in releases of the "lesser" films on BD.

If there is an obscure title that has only been released on DVD, now is the time to pick it up. Blu-Ray is too costly to release all titles and many won't make it to BD. Otherwise, you will see it in streaming video or in projects like Warner Archives DVD.

I don't like it much but there it is. I just hope that the streaming video will allow for hard copies because there are many obscure titles that are still on my wish list.
Dan
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantAlien Redrum
Proudly blocked by liars.
Registered: August 23, 2008
Reputation: High Rating
United States Posts: 1,656
Posted:
PM this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting FilmAlba:
Quote:
The only thing that is holding Blu-ray back is that certain titles are not reaching the numbers which others are hitting.


So, the only thing holding Blu-ray back is certain titles aren't selling as well as DVD?     

Quoting Dan W:
Quote:
In the local BB stores where I live, Blu-Ray already has more shelf space than DVD. One store has already scaled back the CD's to almost nothing and more cutbacks on DVD are planned.


Wow! See, in my area, that's not even close. They have on aisle of Blu and a 4 - 5 1/2 more of standard. There's at least 2x more shelf space at all the major stores around here for DVD.

Quote:
Some may cling to DVD (I have no plans to get rid of mine) but it is easily surpassed in quality by streaming video and will be gone shortly. Soon the only Disc video media available in a storefront setting will be Blu-Ray. Once that occurs even the online stores will be forced to discontinue DVD sales. Take another look at the Blu-ray shelves in the larger stores or on-line and you will see an marked increase in releases of the "lesser" films on BD.


I agree that streaming video will get there. Hell, Netflix is already streaming in 5.1. I'm still not seeing an increase in 'lesser' films on Blu, and when they do it, it's from smaller companies like Shout! Factory or Arrow. The bigger companies don't seem to be doing any backflips to get back catalog out. (Of course what you consider lesser and what I consider lesser may be vastly different.)

Plus, if you just look at this week's releases from Amazon Blu-ray still has to get off its butt.

DVD 447 new releases.
Blu-Ray 87 new releases.

I'm not impressed by that. I wish it were more, but when DVD is still outnumbering Blu by what? 500%? (That math could be way off. ) It's as if the studios just kinda want it to succeed.

Quote:
If there is an obscure title that has only been released on DVD, now is the time to pick it up. Blu-Ray is too costly to release all titles and many won't make it to BD. Otherwise, you will see it in streaming video or in projects like Warner Archives DVD.

I don't like it much but there it is. I just hope that the streaming video will allow for hard copies because there are many obscure titles that are still on my wish list.


Mine, too. I'm think I'm going to have to finally break down and by Angus from the Warner Archives because it will never get a proper release.

I think the only thing saving Blu right now is the Playstation. If you take that out of the equation, BR would have be dying a slow death, if not dead altogether.

It's a shame, too, because it is a superior format, but not superior enough for Joe Six-pack to care about.
Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com

"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantShinyDiscGuy
Registered: March 10, 2009
Posts: 2,248
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Alien Redrum:
Quote:
Quoting FilmAlba:
Quote:
The only thing that is holding Blu-ray back is that certain titles are not reaching the numbers which others are hitting.


So, the only thing holding Blu-ray back is certain titles aren't selling as well as DVD?     

Quoting Dan W:
Quote:
In the local BB stores where I live, Blu-Ray already has more shelf space than DVD. One store has already scaled back the CD's to almost nothing and more cutbacks on DVD are planned.


Wow! See, in my area, that's not even close. They have on aisle of Blu and a 4 - 5 1/2 more of standard. There's at least 2x more shelf space at all the major stores around here for DVD.

Quote:
Some may cling to DVD (I have no plans to get rid of mine) but it is easily surpassed in quality by streaming video and will be gone shortly. Soon the only Disc video media available in a storefront setting will be Blu-Ray. Once that occurs even the online stores will be forced to discontinue DVD sales. Take another look at the Blu-ray shelves in the larger stores or on-line and you will see an marked increase in releases of the "lesser" films on BD.


I agree that streaming video will get there. Hell, Netflix is already streaming in 5.1. I'm still not seeing an increase in 'lesser' films on Blu, and when they do it, it's from smaller companies like Shout! Factory or Arrow. The bigger companies don't seem to be doing any backflips to get back catalog out. (Of course what you consider lesser and what I consider lesser may be vastly different.)

Plus, if you just look at this week's releases from Amazon Blu-ray still has to get off its butt.

DVD 447 new releases.
Blu-Ray 87 new releases.

I'm not impressed by that. I wish it were more, but when DVD is still outnumbering Blu by what? 500%? (That math could be way off. ) It's as if the studios just kinda want it to succeed.

Quote:
If there is an obscure title that has only been released on DVD, now is the time to pick it up. Blu-Ray is too costly to release all titles and many won't make it to BD. Otherwise, you will see it in streaming video or in projects like Warner Archives DVD.

I don't like it much but there it is. I just hope that the streaming video will allow for hard copies because there are many obscure titles that are still on my wish list.


Mine, too. I'm think I'm going to have to finally break down and by Angus from the Warner Archives because it will never get a proper release.

I think the only thing saving Blu right now is the Playstation. If you take that out of the equation, BR would have be dying a slow death, if not dead altogether.

It's a shame, too, because it is a superior format, but not superior enough for Joe Six-pack to care about.


I think i made it very clear certain titles weren't selling as well on Blu-ray and i made a point before of saying i expected that in the uptake of Blu-ray.

And you got to remember Blu-ray only became the sole HD format in March 2008. For the first 2 years of the formats life it was battling over less than 1% with HD-DVD.

So technically speaking Blu-ray is now only heading into it's 4th year.
 Last edited: by ShinyDiscGuy
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantAlien Redrum
Proudly blocked by liars.
Registered: August 23, 2008
Reputation: High Rating
United States Posts: 1,656
Posted:
PM this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting FilmAlba:
Quote:
I think i made it very clear certain titles weren't selling as well on Blu-ray and i made a point before of saying i expected that in the uptake of Blu-ray.


Sure, you made it clear that they aren't selling because people aren't buying them. It's pretty black and white.

Quote:
And you got to remember Blu-ray only became the sole HD format in March 2008. For the first 2 years of the formats life it was battling over less than 1% with HD-DVD.

So technically speaking Blu-ray is now only heading into it's 4th year.


No, technically Blu-ray is heading into it's 5th year. Just because one of the competing formats dropped out of the race doesn't mean it wasn't around. 
Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com

"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
Alien with an attitude
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 13,202
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Dan W:
Quote:
In the local BB stores where I live, Blu-Ray already has more shelf space than DVD. One store has already scaled back the CD's to almost nothing and more cutbacks on DVD are planned.

My Best Buy store has actually made it harder to find the Blu-rays.  I used to walk down the center aisle of the store and run right into the new release section, and the Blu-rays started at the end of those shelves.  They just changed it so that the DVDs are in that section and I have to go out of my way to find the new releae Blu-rays.

Quoting Alien Redrum:
Quote:
Wow! See, in my area, that's not even close. They have on aisle of Blu and a 4 - 5 1/2 more of standard. There's at least 2x more shelf space at all the major stores around here for DVD.

My store is about 2:1 in favor of DVD...2 aisles of DVD to 1 aisle of Blu.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
 Last edited: by TheMadMartian
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantBlair
Resistance is Futile!
Registered: October 30, 2008
United States Posts: 1,249
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
My local Walmart has two smaller side-racks (to try and make them stand out) of the recent Blu-rays discs compared to 6 long shelves of DVDs (and then there's the large $5 bin.)

Supply and demand dictates that you supply what the consumer demands. It would do no good for my Walmart to take away space from DVDs that are selling to add Blu-rays that aren't just because a company makes less on the sale of a DVD than the sale of a Blu-ray movie.
If at first you don't succeed, skydiving isn't for you.

He who MUST get the last word in on a pointless, endless argument doesn't win. It makes him the bigger jerk.
 Last edited: by Blair
    Invelos Forums->General: General Discussion Page: 1 2 3 4  Previous   Next