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77-year-old Roman Polanski Wins Best Director at European Film Awards, Tallinn, Estonia |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote: Quoting hal9g:
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Quote: Quoting Srehtims:
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Quote: Every time there's a Polanski thread the R or P word will always be brought. Yeah i consider what he done to be wrong.
But i feel it distracts from the fantastic films he has made when someone brings it up every time his name is mentioned. It's like if someone made a thread about John Lennon and then someone posted yay for deadbeat dads.
All seems a bit childish.
Not for the people they hurt, these individuals think only of themselves.
Oh for goodness sake, even the person he hurt has come out and said let it die...often. It doesn't change whether his film is any good or not.
So if the victim of a crime or the family of a victim doesn't think someone should be prosecuted for a felony, it is your belief that they should not be punished?
An interesting take on justice!
There are crimes against society and there are crimes against individuals. I don't see what's so interesting about it. If the individual is satisfied, then that's the end of it, same goes for society. Of course I'm just simple that way. Yeah, I'd say simple covers it. Hypothetically, if a guy murders a homeless person who has absolutely no family or anyone interested in filing a complaint against the murderer, then it's OK for that person to go free because no one is going to push for an arrest? In some cases, it is in the best interest of society to pursue conviction of felons regardless of the wishes of the victim. It is perfectly understandable that the victim in this case does not wish to go through the trauma and humiliation of a trial, but her wishes cannot be the only factor to take into account. The law is there to protect all of society, not just the victim. Rape is rarely a one-time crime, and as Sam says, our legal system has an obligation to protect other potential victims. Quoting midnitoil: Quote: Now what I think is interesting is how people who couldn't possibly be more removed from the event get themselves involved as if somehow they're the victims. So nobody who is not involved in a crime has a right to express their opinions about it? Perhaps you should move to Cuba or China if you really believe that. | | | Hal |
| Registered: December 16, 2007 | Posts: 926 |
| Posted: | | | | More later on this subject! |
| Registered: March 10, 2009 | Posts: 2,248 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Quoting mdnitoil:
Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: Quoting mdnitoil:
Quote: Quoting Srehtims:
Quote: Quoting FilmAlba:
Quote: Every time there's a Polanski thread the R or P word will always be brought. Yeah i consider what he done to be wrong.
But i feel it distracts from the fantastic films he has made when someone brings it up every time his name is mentioned. It's like if someone made a thread about John Lennon and then someone posted yay for deadbeat dads.
All seems a bit childish.
Not for the people they hurt, these individuals think only of themselves.
Oh for goodness sake, even the person he hurt has come out and said let it die...often. It doesn't change whether his film is any good or not.
So if the victim of a crime or the family of a victim doesn't think someone should be prosecuted for a felony, it is your belief that they should not be punished?
An interesting take on justice!
There are crimes against society and there are crimes against individuals. I don't see what's so interesting about it. If the individual is satisfied, then that's the end of it, same goes for society. Of course I'm just simple that way.
Yeah, I'd say simple covers it.
Hypothetically, if a guy murders a homeless person who has absolutely no family or anyone interested in filing a complaint against the murderer, then it's OK for that person to go free because no one is going to push for an arrest?
In some cases, it is in the best interest of society to pursue conviction of felons regardless of the wishes of the victim. It is perfectly understandable that the victim in this case does not wish to go through the trauma and humiliation of a trial, but her wishes cannot be the only factor to take into account. The law is there to protect all of society, not just the victim. Rape is rarely a one-time crime, and as Sam says, our legal system has an obligation to protect other potential victims.
Quoting midnitoil:
Quote: Now what I think is interesting is how people who couldn't possibly be more removed from the event get themselves involved as if somehow they're the victims.
So nobody who is not involved in a crime has a right to express their opinions about it? Perhaps you should move to Cuba or China if you really believe that. I agree, it really is just common sense. I only made the point of do we have to bring it every time his name is brought. |
| Registered: December 16, 2007 | Posts: 926 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting FilmAlba: Quote:
I agree, it really is just common sense. I only made the point of do we have to bring it every time his name is brought. No. But I do understand why it happens. | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,321 |
| Posted: | | | | I'm sure my view won't be popular with some, but I wouldn't hang an original piece by Hitler on my living room wall and I won't watch a Polanski movie on my TV. I realize the two crimes aren't really equal, but the principle is the same. That man won't get $0.01 from me. Nor will I help increase popularity of his works by supporting them in any fashion. I realize he's quite the talented artist, but I don't care. There are plenty of other talented people in the business who aren't fugitives on the run. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here. Create fake parent profiles to organize your collection. | | | Last edited: by Mark Harrison |
| Registered: March 10, 2009 | Posts: 2,248 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Mark Harrison: Quote: I'm sure my view won't be popular with some, but I wouldn't hang an original piece by Hitler on my living room wall and I want watch a Polanski movie on my TV. I realize the two crimes aren't really equal, but the principle is the same. That man won't get $0.01 from me. Nor will I help increase popularity of his works by supporting them in any fashion. I realize he's quite the talented artist, but I don't care. There are plenty of other talented people in the business who aren't fugitives on the run. Take it if that's your stand point go and take down every American flag on your property for all the crimes and injustices your country has committed. | | | Last edited: by ShinyDiscGuy |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,321 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting FilmAlba: Quote: Quoting Mark Harrison:
Quote: I'm sure my view won't be popular with some, but I wouldn't hang an original piece by Hitler on my living room wall and I won't watch a Polanski movie on my TV. I realize the two crimes aren't really equal, but the principle is the same. That man won't get $0.01 from me. Nor will I help increase popularity of his works by supporting them in any fashion. I realize he's quite the talented artist, but I don't care. There are plenty of other talented people in the business who aren't fugitives on the run.
Take it if that's your stand point go and take down every American flag on your property for all the crimes and injustices your country has committed. Please don't turn my own personal opinions about a wanted criminal into a political statement about any nation. That's not even reaching there. It's just a lame excuse to bash America once again. An act that isn't even allowed here due to it's political nature. Thanks. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here. Create fake parent profiles to organize your collection. | | | Last edited: by Mark Harrison |
| Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,656 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Mark Harrison: Quote: I'm sure my view won't be popular with some, but I wouldn't hang an original piece by Hitler on my living room wall and I won't watch a Polanski movie on my TV. I realize the two crimes aren't really equal, but the principle is the same. That man won't get $0.01 from me. Nor will I help increase popularity of his works by supporting them in any fashion. I realize he's quite the talented artist, but I don't care. There are plenty of other talented people in the business who aren't fugitives on the run. That view is exactly the same as mine. Polanski will never see any money from me, too. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
| Registered: March 10, 2009 | Posts: 2,248 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Mark Harrison: Quote: Quoting FilmAlba:
Quote: Quoting Mark Harrison:
Quote: I'm sure my view won't be popular with some, but I wouldn't hang an original piece by Hitler on my living room wall and I won't watch a Polanski movie on my TV. I realize the two crimes aren't really equal, but the principle is the same. That man won't get $0.01 from me. Nor will I help increase popularity of his works by supporting them in any fashion. I realize he's quite the talented artist, but I don't care. There are plenty of other talented people in the business who aren't fugitives on the run.
Take it if that's your stand point go and take down every American flag on your property for all the crimes and injustices your country has committed.
Please don't turn my own personal opinions about a wanted criminal into a political statement about any nation. That's not even reaching there. It's just a lame excuse to bash America once again. An act that isn't even allowed here due to it's political nature.
Thanks. Thank you! So can you now kindly stop turning your opinions on criminals into a bashing on films |
| Registered: March 10, 2009 | Posts: 2,248 |
| Posted: | | | | And if ppl are going to be that way. Then you might find this handy guide for avoiding film makers who support rapists. Better get your fires lit http://www.popcrunch.com/celebrities-support-polanski/ |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,321 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting FilmAlba: Quote:
Thank you!
So can you now kindly stop turning your opinions on criminals into a bashing on films I think you need to start reading what you're responding to. First, I never bashed his films. In fact I've seen a couple before I knew the facts about him. They were great. Second, there couldn't be a more appropriate place on this forum to bash his films (if you want to) than a thread about him! Third, your comments were out of place and not allowed. I KNOW you know this because you've been told before. Over and over and over and over and over and so on. If you need a reminder, re-read the first post in this forum. Finally I presented my opinions as nothing more than my own opinions. That's where I draw my line in the sand. Where you choose to draw your line, if at all, is your business. My conscious is not responsible for your actions. Nor are you responsible for mine. That's your business. You made a totally inappropriate comment about the US (yet again). And you're somehow trying to use my post as an excuse to break the rules. That's not appreciated. And it makes no more sense as a commentary on my opinions than would a discussion on the benefits of steam power. If you really want to bash the US, I'm sure it would take only a few minutes of effort to find a more appropriate place to do so where you can spend all day discussing your ideas with like-minded people. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here. Create fake parent profiles to organize your collection. | | | Last edited: by Mark Harrison |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote: There are crimes against society and there are crimes against individuals. I don't see what's so interesting about it. If the individual is satisfied, then that's the end of it, same goes for society. Of course I'm just simple that way. I see it as no different as the case that never even makes it to court because the victim chooses not to press charges. I can't say what goes on in their head, but if they're okay with it, we move on. That is all well and good when the victim is an adult. In this case, however, the victim was 13. For obvious reasons, minors should not have that choice. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,777 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting mdnitoil:
Quote: There are crimes against society and there are crimes against individuals. I don't see what's so interesting about it. If the individual is satisfied, then that's the end of it, same goes for society. Of course I'm just simple that way. I see it as no different as the case that never even makes it to court because the victim chooses not to press charges. I can't say what goes on in their head, but if they're okay with it, we move on. That is all well and good when the victim is an adult. In this case, however, the victim was 13. For obvious reasons, minors should not have that choice. See, I was dropping out because this was starting to get ugly, but since you responded directly to me, I'll reply. The victim, who is now well past the age of 13, has stated on numerous occasions that this is a dead issue. Presumably for many here, had he done the 6 months or so that the original plea bargain called for, this would be a dead issue as well since we're all about the justice being served aspect. Unfortunately, that plea bargain turned out to be a mess for any number of reasons that aren't worth rehashing, so here we are. At the end of the day though, this particular case has a lot less to do with the original crime, and much more to do with the way the justice system handled it. I don't like what Polanski did and I'm not here to apologize for him. But what I like even less is a DA and a judge who decided to change the rules midway through the process for what appeared to be personal political gain. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote: Quoting TheMadMartian:
Quote: Quoting mdnitoil:
Quote: There are crimes against society and there are crimes against individuals. I don't see what's so interesting about it. If the individual is satisfied, then that's the end of it, same goes for society. Of course I'm just simple that way. I see it as no different as the case that never even makes it to court because the victim chooses not to press charges. I can't say what goes on in their head, but if they're okay with it, we move on. That is all well and good when the victim is an adult. In this case, however, the victim was 13. For obvious reasons, minors should not have that choice. See, I was dropping out because this was starting to get ugly, but since you responded directly to me, I'll reply. The victim, who is now well past the age of 13, has stated on numerous occasions that this is a dead issue. I am quite sure that, after 30+ years, it is...but that really isn't the point. You made a general statement about moving on when a victim chooses not to press charges. I disagree with that position when the victim is a minor...I also disagree in other cases, but more so when the victim is a child. I shouldn't have used the age of the victim in the Polanski case because it really isn't about that case. Any crime, commited against a minor, should be prosecuted, period. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,777 |
| Posted: | | | | Yes, however the righteous indignation in this thread is about this case. I would also add that this particular crime was prosecuted and a plea bargain was reached...until one of the parties turned out to be bargaining in bad faith. The deal which was a psych eval and time served magically turns into years of prison followed by deportation. Quite a leap. Frankly, exile probably looks pretty darn good since the end result is the same regarding his ability to enter the country minus the stay in prison. I mean who in their right mind sticks around for a prison sentence knowing they're going to be kicked out the country when it's over? Might as well just leave. | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
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