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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLJG
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I was contemplating doing the same thing until I averaged the time it would take to rip every DVD/Blu-ray disc in my collection. At approx. 45 minutes per disc it would take 211,500 minutes/3,525 hours/147 days. That’s without taking a break   If I ripped for 4 hours a night after work it would take 881 days to finish the 4,768 discs in my collection. That’s 2 ½ years .


Wow! I just spent about 3 weeks adding my mother's cd collection (and it wasn't her whole collection) on her computer. Total time was probably about 20-24 hours over the 3 weeks. I couldn't imagine over 2 years of doing that! That's insane!
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I was contemplating doing the same thing until I averaged the time it would take to rip every DVD/Blu-ray disc in my collection. At approx. 45 minutes per disc it would take 211,500 minutes/3,525 hours/147 days. That’s without taking a break   If I ripped for 4 hours a night after work it would take 881 days to finish the 4,768 discs in my collection. That’s 2 ½ years .

Blu-Ray's take awhile to rip, that's for sure.  It's typically a click-start-and-do-something-else procedure. It's not like you're sitting there twiddling your thumbs, or I hope not!

DVD's are very fast.  If you have a 2+ decent drives available, you'll spend only a couple minutes or less between swapping out discs.

Post processing with converting just the movie into MKV format with lossless video & audio (selecting just the tracks I want) takes under a minute per DVD and about 5-8 minutes for HD media.

TIP: Create two striped RAID 0's utilizing four drives and set the stripe size in the RAID config to 64 MB and the cluster size when formatting to 64 MB. When converting from one format to another, always read from one RAID and write to the other. While it does provide for zero redundancy, it's damn fast.
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Utilizing RAID5, you can get 6 TB of data storage with 4 drives. Assuming an average of 6 GB for a DVD, that should hold your entire DVD collection.


...and you need a same amout of disc space for backup.
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With RAID5, you have redundancy to survive a failed drive. So as long as another drive doesn't fail while rebuilding the new drive or you replace the wrong drive, there's no data loss and no downtime.

Keep in mind that the life-span of these drives is theoretically longer because you're writing the contents to the drive and only reading from that point on.

You can also invest in a more expensive RAID controller which supports RAID 6 (something like RAID 5 but with two parity drives) which can survive two drive failures. Kaleidescape uses RAID-K which is similar to RAID 6.

I figure if I lose all my work if two drives fail at the same time, I'm going to pick up one of those Blu-ray mega changers instead.
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The RAID controller I posted earlier supports RAID50 which is a striped array of multiple RAID 5 sets.  If I have two RAID 5's each with 4 drives, each set could suffer 1 drive failure with no data loss but if I lose two drive in either array, everything's toast.

But the nice thing about RAID arrays is that you can allocate a hot spare that will immediately take over a failed drive and start rebuilding. When the failed drive is replaced, it becomes the new hot spare.

Typing out the following to brainstorm the pros and cons of each RAID setup to balance redundancy, speed, and capacity - though speed isn't really a big issue for this utilization.

So I could do the following with my 8 1.5 TB drives utilizing 4 drives in each RAID 5 set:
  • Two RAID 5's independent of each other with no hot spare for a 4.5 TB per array or 9 TB total. Can suffer 1 drive failure per array. Losing one array doesn't affect the other array.

  • Two RAID 5's independent of each each other with a hot spare for 3 TB per array or 6 TB total. Can suffer 2 drive failures per array as long as two drives don't fail at the same time. Losing one array doesn't affect the other array.

  • RAID 50 with no hot spare for one array of 9 TB. Can suffer 2 drive failures as long as both drives aren't part of the same set. Losing one set causes total data loss.

  • RAID 50 with 1 hot spare per set for one array of 6 TB. Can suffer 4 drive failures as long as more than 2 drives per set don't fail at the same time. Losing one set causes total data loss.

  • I'm currently using Boxee with three 1 TB drives (no RAID) - the drive layout is invisible to me and since speed isn't a priority, RAID 50's seem to be out of the picture.

    Based on the failure rate of the previous method of conversion I used which introduced either skipping or audio-sync issues, I'm redoing my collection in MKV format which is a lossless conversion and so far, no audio-sync issues. I'm only storing the main movie and none of the extras, each movie containing only the highest quality audio track and no sub-titles (though I have the option of multiple audio-tracks & subtitles) with the exception of Blu-Ray where I include the forced subtitles. Sizes are based on 1k=1000 bytes since that's the formula drives use. Current conversion process:

    DVD
    55 movies ranging between 2.18GB and 7.29GB, averaging 4.8 GB. Estimated to be able to store 208 movies per TB.

    Blu-Ray & HD-DVD
    50 movies ranging between 10.27GB and 31.43GB, averaging 18.72GB. Estimated to be able to store 53 movies per TB.
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    Have a look at UNRAID.  It allows for Raid like protection, but in the event of a real catastrophe, you would only loose the information on the actuall drives that fail.  Not the whole array.  I have a test system running right now, and I am really starting to like it.
    DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantDr. Killpatient
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    I briefly looked at UNRAID, one feature I liked is that you could in-line upgrade a drive to a larger capacity drive and have the extra storage utilized.  I think I'll look more into it.
    DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKulju
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    I'm very familiar with RAID systems since my work as a IT professional. We have storage systems that contain hundreds of spindles with a huge amount of data. RAID is not an equivalent for backup. It doesn't protect you against SUM (Stupid User Mistake), corrupted File Systems, Voltage Peaks (can break several discs at once), broken RAID controllers (I remember one old case where relatively small ~10TB system RAID controller broke and to set it up again we had to find exactly the same controller and let me tell you it wasn't easy) etc. RAID is just one layer for data protection. My recommendation would be to buy enough disc space for your needs +30% for snapshots. Use correct RAID configuration for your needs. Usually RAID 5 is OK. Buy a decent UPS system to filter out unwanted voltage peaks. Backup, backup, backup, preferably offsite.
    DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLewis_Prothero
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    Nevermind
    It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
    But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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