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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote:
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agree with him that we ought to be able to correct spelling errors on overviews
I totally disagree with this approach. To the best of my belief we shouldn't alter actual data. All good databases ever built are based upon data generated somewhwer. In our case we use the data provided by the ACTUAL DVD, not any users imagination. In fact I have never seen a database outside of IMDb that is constructed upon user imagination. If you are building a database about, oh let's say rifles, part of that data will be the model # of the product, it doesn't make any difference what some data entry clerk THINMKS the model # might be if it is different from the data contained upon or with the product, same is true with Profiler, we adhere to real hard data, not data which exists soley and completely within some users mind. Users are free to do with the data whhatever they wish locally, they can choose to correct what they might view as spelling or grammatical errors, insert extra data not contained On Screeen or however they wish to, but such things are simply deviations from the Profiler standard and are not in any way contributable. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
All good databases ever built are based upon data generated somewhwer. In our case we use the data provided by the ACTUAL DVD, not any users imagination. All good databases have coherent data so that we can filter and obtain the researched result. For example, I may want to have the list of movies in which played Gong Li. If I do not get the movies in which she was credited as Li Gong, I can say the database is not good. | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 4,245 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
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A thread about the "100 Greatest Goofs" from IMDB would make for some pretty humorous reading, I think, and would remind us all why we focus on accuracy
I think we have no lesson to give to IMDb. Our "accuracy" invented hundreds of names that exist nowhere except in Invelos database, and we even can find in Invelos database overviews on the cover that do not match with the movie on the disc. As accuracy for Invelos rules is copying existing errors, or even creating errors, the result for the database is a total mess. I have to agree with Surfeur in regards to accuracy. As much as we think our database is better, it too has many errors. Our database is far from perfect and error-free. In my local I've seen at least one cast member going by at least 5 or more different names. And many hundreds of names with at least 2 aka's each. Way too much to sift through and even try and fix one by one. And complete tv seasons are just too much of a bother to try and go through name by name and see if there are any common names for them. Heck, even if others were to go through them I think it would take years to actually fix all of these common names and other "errors". And that's just cast. That's why I am now deleting every cast/crew member from my local database and will actually treat DVD Profiler as a DVD database and not a Movie Database which the cast/crew section has now, in my mind, turned the program into. As much as I have "enjoyed" entering cast/crew it just has too many errors in it to even be really that useful to me. So if and when the cast/crew database is fixed I won't be contributing any more cast/crew. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,796 |
| | Posted: | | | | They both built by people with nothing better to do. | | | We don't need stinkin' IMDB's errors, we make our own.
Ineptocracy, You got to love it.
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 5,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote:
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agree with him that we ought to be able to correct spelling errors on overviews
I totally disagree with this approach. To the best of my belief we shouldn't alter actual data. This is exactly how a discussion ought to happen. Thank you. We can disagree and still be civil. | | | If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've grown used to our database, but I'm the first to admit that it is seriously flawed when it comes to cast and crew. Anybody entering their collection from scratch the first time out would naturally expect to see all the cast/crew properly linked together. The odds of this actually happening right out of the gate are just about zero. For folks who are very new, they may easily conclude that this is a bug, rather than poor data. It's just a given in this day and age that when you have a relational database that the data...well...relates, darnit. | | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | The issues with cast & crew are basically two:
1. Localization (US vs Chinese for example - Li Gong vs Gong Li)
2. Having multiple profiles for the same basic movie based on multiple releases - each release can have their own cast & crew and sometimes they differ from the other releases. This can (and does) lead to a person being credited differently. |
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| Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
The issues with cast & crew are basically two:
1. Localization (US vs Chinese for example - Li Gong vs Gong Li)
2. Having multiple profiles for the same basic movie based on multiple releases - each release can have their own cast & crew and sometimes they differ from the other releases. This can (and does) lead to a person being credited differently. That, plus the method to link people is ungainly and frequently leads to ambiguities. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
The issues with cast & crew are basically two:
1. Localization (US vs Chinese for example - Li Gong vs Gong Li)
2. Having multiple profiles for the same basic movie based on multiple releases - each release can have their own cast & crew and sometimes they differ from the other releases. This can (and does) lead to a person being credited differently. 3. Same name, different person. BY concept is a nightmare. | | | | Last edited: by Kulju |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | CLT is another nightmare too because even correct data can be incorrect next day. I remember once when I did all OZ seasons. When I was doing season 4, I noticed that my own contributions for seasons 1-3 had changed CLT numbers, so I had to do seasons 1-3 again. How cool is that?  |
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| Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 823 |
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Oh, shut up you twat! Go whine somewhere else! Get out. | | | | 99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1." |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | As a record of the DVD credits, our database works great. I use IMDb to "relate".  | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting KinoNiki: Quote:
I use IMDb to "relate". Well, I also would like to do that , but I never found how to do. How do you get quicly in IMDb the list of only the movies that you own with a specific actor/director/composer ? | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,245 |
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I think our "buy, contribute and vote" model is probably less open to abuse than that of IMDB where it seems that people or companies can enter pretty much whatever they want. A few years ago I tried to add a title that wasn't even in the IMDB database and I added as much data as I could from my old videotape of the TV Special and it never was approved/accepted. Everything I tried to add was from the programs actual credits but I guess because they couldn't verify it they turned it down. Unless I was missing something from when I was attempting to add this title to their database I don't recall seeing any section to add notes so that I could state where I got the data from. It's likely because of that they turned it down. So there is some sort of verification process that IMDB uses and does turn data even accurate ones. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
For example, I may want to have the list of movies in which played Gong Li. If I do not get the movies in which she was credited as Li Gong, I can say the database is not good. What you are talking about is the query. | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
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For example, I may want to have the list of movies in which played Gong Li. If I do not get the movies in which she was credited as Li Gong, I can say the database is not good.
What you are talking about is the query. From the end-user's point of view, does it matter? If you click a performer in your database and only return a partial subset of the actual titles they appear in, who cares about the technical reason why it failed? The fact remains that it did fail and for the layman that equates to a bad database, which is all that really matters. |
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