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Registered: June 15, 2012 | Posts: 428 |
| Posted: | | | | We are like Mole and the UK as well. We have the high tech pencil (usually fastened by a piece of string to the booth) and the ballot papers with the boxes with the names next to them. Except we mark the boxes with numbers, starting from 1 in order of preference (we have preferential voting in Australia). The votes are stuffed into a big cardboard box and then they are counted by hand.
If you don't want to vote - you can skip it and get fined (by law you have to vote or give a reason why you couldn't - to avoid the fine), or you can deface your ballot paper in any way you want in which case it's counted as "informal". Voting is always on a saturday.
We don't vote on Police Commissioners etc, we only vote on our local/state and federal representative and also our senate representative. On the odd occasion (and it's not often) we also get to vote in a referendum (done same time as federal).
Still doesn't take long to vote.. unless you get caught out by going at a popular time and have a long line to get in. | | | Last edited: by Parsec |
| Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,878 |
| Posted: | | | | Here in Kentucky we have the paper ballots with the spaces you fill in with a black ink pen. Like California, it is decided county by county. I know this must be the case, since the county just to the north of us has a different ballot style - I had to color in squares, my friend Saffie had to color in ovals. My polling place is the gym of our local middle school. There are four tables (one in each corner) for the precincts that vote there. At our precinct, which is the largest, there were nine little booths (which are just tall tables with a screen around three sides) and one voting machine, which is the accessible machine. While I don't know anyone in our precinct who needs it, my boss's wife is blind and needed to use the accessible machine in their county. Apparently you can plug your headphones into the machine and it will read the choices to you and tell you what to do. After I was done with my ballot, like Vibrocount I put it in what looked like a great big copier, got my sticker, and left. I didn't have any trouble with lines, but I voted at 7:30 in the morning. | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world. -- Thorin Oakenshield |
| Registered: September 29, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,550 |
| Posted: | | | | I've heard stories about there being 1 polling place for 3 precincts. Here in Iowa, as it is in lots of states, they divide up the population evenly by district (there are 4 here) and find a location suitable/willing to be a polling place for each precinct in the district. In some of the small, small towns, it's somebody's living house/garage! So you may end up with thousands of people trying to vote in 1 location. With, I'm guessing, 15 voting booths per location, you can see how the lines at some voting locations can be long. I know it was a problem that way with the early voting. Myself, I voted October 26, and that was pretty busy then. We had, I think, 70-71% of the eligible voters that voted. | | | My one wish for the DVD Profiler online database: Ban or remove the disc-level profiles of TV season sets. It completely screws up/inflates the CLT. FACT: Imdb is WRONG 70% of the time! Misspelled cast, incomplete cast, wrong cast/crew roles. So for those who want DVD Profiler to be "as perfect as Imdb", good luck with that. Stop adding UNIT crew! They're invalid credits. Stop it! |
| Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,934 |
| Posted: | | | | The other issues. We are not only voting for the President. We are also voting on the US Representative for Our district. A number of people are voting for US Senator (33 elected every 2 years). In many areas, we are also voting for state representatives, state Senators, governors, auditors, treasurers, Lieutenant Governor.
In Missouri we also had to vote on the retention of state judges (6 I think). Also we voted on 3 ballot propositions and 2 constitutional amendments. In St. Louis county we had to also vote on 2 tax increase proposals.
This aside from the number of people voting (I was there at 7 am, and was in line for 40 minutes before I even had the ballot in hand)
Charlie | | | Last edited: by CharlieM |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 2,337 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote: In Germany every person over the age of 16(?) has a personal ID card that states his name, birth year, address and a picture. It's been this way since forever in both East and West Germany. A bit off-topic but I have always wondered this... If I've understood correctly US drivers license also contain address as well. So you have to purchase a new license/ID every time you guys move? This sound a bit silly to me. In Finland police (or any other authority) can find your address from their db's and ID cards and drivers license doesn't have address information. | | | Last edited: by Kulju |
| Registered: October 6, 2008 | Posts: 1,932 |
| Posted: | | | | It took me about 1 1/2 hours to vote in the middle of the day--I'm a city employee so have Election Day off. Some of the delay may have been the volume of people, but I attribute the rest to poor training and/or incompetence of workers.
After snaking through a school auditorium and into the gymnasium where the voting takes place, the first worker one meets looks up the potential voter's street and number to determine his election district--some of the districts have been changed, so this was necessary. So this woman has been doing this one thing for a few hours, but the question she asks me is "May I help you?" instead of asking for the information she needs to do her job. Multiply this by 2,000 people, or so.
Once directed to an election district table, mine had the longest line in the room. Four people were working the table to look up each voter, by last name, first name, in a pair of books which divide the alphabet; have the voter sign in his spot and give him a ballot. I saw this quite clearly, so as I handed my card (on which was a serial number, and on which I had printed my name), I spoke my last name to the worker with the books. He began searching for an 'S' name in the 'A to N' book, so I pointed out that he might have more luck in the other book. Again, this guy was there doing one job all day, and hadn't figured it out by noon.
The actual voting and ballot scanning went rather smoothly. |
| Registered: October 6, 2008 | Posts: 1,932 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote: Quoting DJ Doena:
Quote: In Germany every person over the age of 16(?) has a personal ID card that states his name, birth year, address and a picture. It's been this way since forever in both East and West Germany. A bit off-topic but I have always wondered this... If I've understood correctly US drivers license also contain address as well. So you have to purchase a new license/ID every time you guys move? This sound a bit silly to me. In Finland police (or any other authority) can find your address from their db's and ID cards and drivers license doesn't have address information. In New York State, one does not need to get a new driver's license upon moving, but must report his new address to the Department of Motor Vehicles so that their correspondence may reach him. When he next renews his license, the new license will have the new address. (Other states likely differ.) |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 2,337 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting CalebAndCo: Quote: In New York State, one does not need to get a new driver's license upon moving, but must report his new address to the Department of Motor Vehicles so that their correspondence may reach him. So there is an address, but it doesn't have to be correct, smart. Sounds like DVDP in some cases Quote: When he next renews his license, the new license will have the new address. How often is that? I just checked my license and my renew date is 2045. |
| Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,934 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote: Quoting CalebAndCo:
Quote: In New York State, one does not need to get a new driver's license upon moving, but must report his new address to the Department of Motor Vehicles so that their correspondence may reach him. So there is an address, but it doesn't have to be correct, smart. Sounds like DVDP in some cases
Quote: When he next renews his license, the new license will have the new address. How often is that? I just checked my license and my renew date is 2045. In Missouri, every 6 years we renew our license. If you change address, you are supposed to send a change of address to the DMV. If you want a license with the new address, you must request it... |
| Registered: October 6, 2008 | Posts: 1,932 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote: Quoting CalebAndCo:
Quote: In New York State, one does not need to get a new driver's license upon moving, but must report his new address to the Department of Motor Vehicles so that their correspondence may reach him. So there is an address, but it doesn't have to be correct, smart. Sounds like DVDP in some cases
Quote: When he next renews his license, the new license will have the new address. How often is that? I just checked my license and my renew date is 2045. and Renewals are every 8 years in NYS. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,796 |
| Posted: | | | | Still counting votes in Arizona. video | | | We don't need stinkin' IMDB's errors, we make our own. Ineptocracy, You got to love it. "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,744 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote: A bit off-topic but I have always wondered this... If I've understood correctly US drivers license also contain address as well. So you have to purchase a new license/ID every time you guys move? This sound a bit silly to me. In Finland police (or any other authority) can find your address from their db's and ID cards and drivers license doesn't have address information. Not a new one, no. After you moved you go to your new town hall, show your renting contract and they will simply put a new address sticker with a government stamp on it. The rest of the card stays as it is. But the ID card expires every ten years, so you have to get a new one with a new picture. And these things have gotten expensive thanks to 9/11 and all that new biometric crap (they digitally store your thumbprints on the card now). In the old days it was 15€ for a new ID. Now it's 70€(!) just because of that security stuff. The driver's license - which hasn't got an address on it - doesn't expire at all. | | | Karsten DVD Collectors Online
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,796 |
| Posted: | | | | Arizona issues an "extended" driver license that does not expire until age 65. However, your photo and vision screening will need to be updated every 12 years. Drivers age 60 and over will receive a 5-year license.
Internet voting might be faster, but it would be more open to more voter corruption than the world has ever seen.
The founding fathers of this country thought the the press, "fourth estate," would keep a check on politics. But they didn't foresee monopoly of media owner ship by big business. All the major media is owned by big business. Why do think there have been so many Congressional bills to control the internet. The internet is the last bastion of free speech.
When I was just out of school I worked as a a bookkeeper for the Kansas City Star, Kansas City, Jackson County Missouri's largest newspaper, it was a company. To own stock in the company you had to work there or at least have a title. The newspaper fought the Pendergast Machine vigorously.
When there so much power and money involved, there will always be the possibility that something crooked involved. example: Google dead voters, illegal votes, etc.
World history and the United States history is full of crooked politics. Even in the latest TV series "Cooper" shows an example of voter corruption. "Boss Tweed" and the Tammany Hall Machine Kansas City, Jackson County, the Pendergast Machine that Harry Truman came out of, he got his revenge, he had the government sue the KC Star as a monopoly and they had sell WDAF TV and radio stations; Richard Joseph Dale, Chicago, Illinois believed to be last of the big city bosses.
Today the so-called bosses work behind the scenes, Bilderbergers/New World Order. Remember how Hillary Clinton dropped out of the 2008 presidential race with no apparent reason;. At a meeting in Virginia before the 2008 the presidential race she was told to forget it. | | | We don't need stinkin' IMDB's errors, we make our own. Ineptocracy, You got to love it. "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln | | | Last edited: by Srehtims |
| Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,878 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote: Quoting DJ Doena:
Quote: In Germany every person over the age of 16(?) has a personal ID card that states his name, birth year, address and a picture. It's been this way since forever in both East and West Germany. A bit off-topic but I have always wondered this... If I've understood correctly US drivers license also contain address as well. So you have to purchase a new license/ID every time you guys move? This sound a bit silly to me. In Finland police (or any other authority) can find your address from their db's and ID cards and drivers license doesn't have address information. In Kentucky you are supposed to get a new drivers license/state ID card within 6 months after you move. In practice nobody does this, they wait until it expires rather than pay the extra $20. | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world. -- Thorin Oakenshield |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 950 |
| Posted: | | | | I'm in Wi and as I was out of town on voting day, I voted early. It was a paper with dots to fill in. We get to see the ballot early in the newspaper, nothing gets mailed to us, or if it did, I didn't see it. When I go to vote on election day, as I live in a small village (1000 people), there are 2 ways to vote, one computerized machine and 4 boxes for paper voting. All the volunteers are elderly so sometimes it takes a few minutes to get your name checked off and accounted for. This year was supposed to be the first year you needed an id to vote, but when I voted early, they didn't want it (Of course, I know the people working, so that may have been why).
As for lines-well, depends on what time you're there. I've gone early and been walked on through, and gone in peak times and had to wait 15/20 mins.
Driver's license here, you're supposed to go and get a new one if you move. You usually have a certain amount of time to do so, like 6 months. You can get fined if you are pulled over and have the wrong address on it if it's been longer, is my understanding. When you get your driver's license at 16, you have to renew it at 18, then after that is renewed every 8-10 years or so. Sometimes, when you're older you get a sticker in the mail, rather than having to go in, but that may have changed. | | | Lori |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Posts: 1,982 |
| Posted: | | | | Since everybody wrote how it works for them (I know I ain't from the US)
Here in the Province of Quebec the processus isn't really long as we vote only on one thing. We don't even vote for the Prime Minister, we vote for our deputy (I think we can compare them to the US Congressman even if our system is different) at a provincial election (same thing for the federal one) and the leader of the party with the most deputies became the Prime Minister.
We don't vote for the Mayor or the School board Admistrators at those election and we never vote on a referendum question at a federal/provincial/municipal or school election.
Before the election we got our elector card by the mail, it's just a small card to tell us where to vote. We can vote by anticipation usually the weekend before the election and our election day is always a monday unless it's an holliday (I'm almost positive it's the same for the federal election). The casting is easy as we use a pencil to do a cross in the circle near the name of the candidate we want to vote for.
Contrary to the US we don't vote for the Senators, Judges, Distric Attorneys, Chief of Police, municipal or provincial or federal civil servants,... just our deputy, our city mayor, our city councilman and our representant at the school board. |
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