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It's a 2.5" (notebook) SATA hard drive. Most people seem to compare the price to 3.5" drives, which is wrong. External 2.5" drives can still be had for less than $180, of course.

We both know MS has a proprietary interface.  MS didn't have to do that.  Unless you have the particular star tool needed to open and replace that drive (if you can), you can't get to it.  That shows how far they are willing to go to make you buy their HDDs and headsets and re-charger kits, etc.

On the PS3, you just buy any 2.5" SATA hard drive and slap it in...100GB...120GB...160GB...whatever.  a 120GB 2.5" SATA drive would cost me $77 shipped from Pricewatch.com.  Does anyone know the retail price for MS's 120GB HDD?  Whatever it is I'm sure MS will make a lot more profit per unit than the sellers at Pricewatch.com (or your local computer store for that matter).

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Having the hard drive separate from the console was a mistake. Microsoft always explains that it gives a choice to the customer, but it's still a crippled system.

Yeah, it's clear that MS rushed this system to market without much future-proofing.

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Oh, and regarding the disc size: I think that argument is moot. All movies in Resistance for example are full-motion video. Of course that takes much space when stored in 1080 resolution. In my opinion, it's much better to have movies with in-game engine graphics anyway. And using that I'm sure that even MGS4 would fit on a dual-layer DVD. Dead Rising has LOTS of story sequences, all in-game, with motion captured movements and the game is about 6 GB, I think. Video just BURNS space.

You think a game close to 50GB large could be reduced to a dual layer DVD without losing a huge amount of functionality?  I wonder what Kojima has to say about that.

'The PS3 is like the theatre, it's a little bit high-priced but it has to be high quality as well. The 360 is a DVD, it still needs to be high quality but you need more variations, while the Wii is almost like a TV channel, because every game you have it with your family'.

'But like I said, MGS4 is aimed for the movie theatre, it's aimed for the PS3, so the game's scenario and graphics need this theatre-type hardware. It's when a producer has a game that can work on the 'DVD level' that a game will go multiplatform', he says.

Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:

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Yeah, it's clear that MS rushed this system to market without much future-proofing.

At least it has rumble. He, he.

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You think a game close to 50GB large could be reduced to a dual layer DVD without losing a huge amount of functionality?

Isn't this x or y gigabyte nonsense irrelevant? You can make games in 64 KILObytes that have more playability than other that take 2 DVDs. It's too easy to fill any disc size with video. Maybe in the previous year high-quality textures are beginning to take more space, but even then it's easy to fill the space when you don't compress them. The pure number alone ("My game is X GB") has no meaning.

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'The PS3 is like the theatre...'

Marketing BS by the producer. *shrug* You won't get any real facts in interviews like these.

Quoting MatrixMan07:

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Most retailers are going to sell the Xbox 360 120gb hard drive for $70, so that's cheaper than the $77 you stated as being a great price for a hard drive of that size.

I am not sure what retailers you are talking about, but all the ones that I checked out are listing it at $179.99. Because it isn't out yet, some sites may be hard to find the item. The easiest is at BestBuy.com

Quoting mnemo:

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If you think so.

Do you want to put together a list of features?

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No, we wouldn't, because the graphics HAVE improved in the meantime and alone the textures of current games wouldn't fit on a CD-ROM and that's not including the 3D models.

Now, we're getting somewhere!  So, as time pass games increase in complexity and that complexity requires space?  That's what you're saying, right?

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That's not what I'm saying, I only said size doesn't mean quality and I suspect that most of the space on the Blu-ray discs is occupied by videos.

Suspecting is fun, but how do you propose we find out?  I'm thinking textures in 1080p takes a good amount of space along with more varied and detailed audio sound bites (so you don't hear the same lines over and over and hear them and everything else crisply).  Then, I would also believe that larger worlds increase the need for space as well, but then again I'm not a game programmer.

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Let's talk again in 8 year, then, see how it went.

Well, since the PS3 did have a better start than the PS2 and Xbox 360, I would say at least half of the
PS2's 118+million users should have a PS3 by then.  I'm being pretty conservative, well, at least according to THIS ARTICLE.

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What do you expect in such an interview? He can't say how it is. Even if the game would fit on a DVD without movies, he couldn't say. The game SELLS the PS3. It's the same with other games that are only available for one platform. They can't say "Oh, of course, we can do it on that other platform".

The Devil May Cry group did. 

Strange to point this out - the PS3 is already having its price cut in some UK shops.... not a good sign of massive sales 

I seriously hate SONY fanboys!!!

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Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:

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While I'm off-subject, I might as well just put this in one post.

Video of Real-Time Ray Tracing with 3 PS3s!

This shows how powerful the PS3 really is.  If you don't know about Real-time Ray Tracing, please look it up so you can FULLY understand how impressive this is (3 PCs, Xbox 360s, and definitely not Wiis could do this)!  It's not even using 3 of the SPEs or the Nvidia RSXs!  Simply amazing! 

Really?  You couldn't do this on 1, 2 or even 3 PC's?  So nobody has done any real-time Ray Tracing before this?

That being said, does anyone really think this is a selling point for the PS3?  I am debating on which system to buy.  Should I throw this into the equation or should I stick to my original plan of choosing which one to buy based on the games I want to play. 

Don't be silly Unicus, to be really future proof you need to get a Dragon 32  

Steve