ooh, oooh another quarter.  

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But months ago somehow Skip's contribution for "Mister Roberts" got accepted, and Now with Telecine wanting to change this back to 'normal.., It won't get accepted because of the %percentage of votes ,, and it will get denied.

Skip's contribution go accepted because it didn't go through the normal screening process.  Had it gone up for vote, it probably wouldn't have gotten through.

Question...why are you voting 'no'? 

Wrong again, Unicus. have you forgotten IVS already, "Mister Roberts" went through the normal process at IVS where this particular Rule was precisely the same as it is now. It did not go through the process here, but that is irrelevant since you stated it as iit had NEVER gone through...IT HAD and was overwhelmingly approved by all including some of the same people now complaining about it.

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I am not wrong, you are simply ignoring the facts.  As you are well aware, a contribution to change it from "Mister Roberts" to Mister Roberts was submitted AND accepted at IVS.  If it hadn't, your first post in this thread would make no sense. 

I've done updates this weekend on about 15 films from the '40s and '50s. All of them have quotes around the on-screen titles. There are often discrepancies between single quotes and double quotes between the on-screen titles. I ignored all of the quotes as had all of the contributors before me. It would be a true nightmare if we included quotes in the database.

And i am equally shocked that so many want to decrease the accuracy and usability of the program. very, very short-sighted.

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Though I shouldn't be, I am really surprised that we even needed to have this discussion. 

I'm surprised too. Unfortunately, the vote on "Mister Roberts" is currently 10-5, so it appears to not be as clear in the the rules and in line with "common sense" as you and I think it is.  I have hundreds of films from this time period. It's not been an issue until now. I hope we can keep it from becoming a bigger battle than just Mister Roberts and a couple of others.

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And i am equally shocked that so many want to decrease the accuracy and usability of the program. very, very short-sighted.

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The short-sightedness is on the part of anyone who thinks these quotes are part of the title. It goes beyond being common in the time period where this was done in film. In fact, it was quite the norm to denote titles using quotes in those years. I've never seen any reference book or database or e-tailer use quotes around all of the titles from that time period. That's because these quotes are grammatical forms that aren't part of the title.

I fail to see how throwing a quote around a title decreases the accuracy and usability of the title. It's the exact opposite, quite frankly. For what purpose would I want to know which of my films display quotes on-screen? Wouldn't that be the same as wanting to know which of my films use italics on-screen to denote the title? Or bold? Or script fonts? Why???

As for usability, how does it make it more usable to throw in characters that disable Search by Title unless the substring filter is activated? Increase usability? Are you serious? 

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And i am equally shocked that so many want to decrease the accuracy and usability of the program. very, very short-sighted.

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The short-sightedness is on the part of anyone who thinks these quotes are part of the title. It goes beyond being common in the time period where this was done in film. In fact, it was quite the norm to denote titles using quotes in those years. I've never seen any reference book or database or e-tailer use quotes around all of the titles from that time period. That's because these quotes are grammatical forms that aren't part of the title.

I fail to see how throwing a quote around a title decreases the accuracy and usability of the title. It's the exact opposite, quite frankly. For what purpose would I want to know which of my films display quotes on-screen? Wouldn't that be the same as wanting to know which of my films use italics on-screen to denote the title? Or bold? Or script fonts? Why???

As for usability, how does it make it more usable to throw in characters that disable Search by Title unless the substring filter is activated? Increase usability? Are you serious? 

YES I am serious and no yuou don't understand and aren't even willing to try, so i am wasting my time and effort. I will only say this, my assesment of thsis is very simply a databased solution, which takes into account your concerns versus a user based WHIM, with no basis in data.

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YES I am serious and no yuou don't understand and aren't even willing to try, so i am wasting my time and effort. I will only say this, my assesment of thsis is very simply a databased solution, which takes into account your concerns versus a user based WHIM, with no basis in data.

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The "whim" is on your side. Mister Roberts is one of the very few titles in the database which has been entered with quotes. It was entered by you. It seems that thousands of films with on-screen quotes were entered without them until your whim brought this to the forefront.

You are right. I don't understand why adding special characters to a searchable field increases functionality while it simultaneously eliminates effective Search by Title unless the substring filter is on. I fail to see that as "More". I see it as "Less". I asked you a question about why you feel that's better and you didn't answer it. So yes, I'm still confused by your statement since you refuse to explain why this increases usability. Simply saying it's a "databased solution" isn't good enough. Explain to me why we need to resubmit nearly all of the films from pre-1960 with quotes around the titles to increase our usability.

As noted earlier, it also kills the Awards Plug-in....in other words, reduced usability!