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How the West was Won
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMike D.
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One thing that you've got to remember is that you may own a copy of the movie, but that actual owner of the movie is the studio. When you pay to purchase the movie, you are basically paying the owners a right to watch the movie in your own house. Now lets say that you bought the negative/original from a studio, then yes, you have a right to make as many copies you want.

Wow, the RIAA and MPA couldn't have hoped for better.  Now they've even got us consumers arguing against our own best interests.

Between this "license to view" argument and the extension of copyright to about 1000 years, it's surprising that the media industries don't simply demand a monthy deduction from our paychecks.    Just cut out the whole middle-man. 

I'm just trying to give both sides of the arguement, but I'm not saying they are right though. 
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The Cour t has created a conflict by ruling that is illegal to override the Copy Protection so.... But the laws, also as noted, are different from country to country.

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Here in Norway it is also illegal to break copy protections, but they have to be what they call 'effective'. That means that since the DVD copy protection was broken and programs were made that helped you do it, it is now legal to break the copy protection (for backup purposes).

This also means that once a program that breaks a copy protection have been made available, it is legal to use it to break a copy protection since the copy protection isn't 'effective' any longer

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Wow, talk about parsing and twisting.

Al Capone was alive about 80 years too early, hw would have a field day today.

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMike D.
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Wow, talk about parsing and twisting.

Al Capone was alive about 80 years too early, hw would have a field day today.

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He most certainly would have. I could see Al and his gang selling their movies on the streets of Chicago and all over the country.     
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One thing that you've got to remember is that you may own a copy of the movie, but that actual owner of the movie is the studio. When you pay to purchase the movie, you are basically paying the owners a right to watch the movie in your own house. Now lets say that you bought the negative/original from a studio, then yes, you have a right to make as many copies you want.


Totally wrong.  If I buy a copy of a movie, a book, a music CD, whatever, I own it.  I agree to certain things when I buy it like not make copies for sale to others, not have public gatherings to show it, etc. Beyond that, I can do whatever I wish with it because I own it - have physical possession of it.

In addition, the Supreme Court ruled on making backup copies and/or working copies for my own use.  That isn't speculation, its the law.  It is also a law, however, that says it is illegal to break the copy protection on the disc.  That is where the gray area is, the conflict between legally making a working copy and disabling the copy protection.  Making copies, however, is already established precedent, so it is unlikely anybody will get busted for breaking copy protection.
John

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributormdnitoil
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I can appreciate both sides of the issue, but when it comes to personal use, the media industries can kiss my butt with regards to backing up my disks.  Frankly, it's one of the reasons I'm down on the current hi-def solutions.  They can take their DRM model and shove it where the sun doesn't shine.

As far as out and out piracy goes, that's obviously a no-no.  Of course it's darn amusing to hear the various industries cry about how much money they are losing!  These idiots need to understand that they are losing, well, darn near nothing.  The folks who are pirating weren't going to spend the money anyway.  It's not like there was money left on the table.  Most people would simply do without if the pirated copy wasn't available.  I'm not saying that's a justification to steal, but the industries paint it like they would earn more money if they could somehow kill piracy.
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