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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
Quoting northbloke:
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I think Darxon's just pulling your leg - boxset case type is a bit of a 'touchy' subject! 
Though I was also confused by John's "check box" comment.
To the topic at hand, although technically yes it should be treated as a box set, the way Profiler works at the moment, it's either impossible or at least really hard to create profiles to suit a boxset. I would say, at least for now, leave it the way it is. We may get more features in the future that will allow us to profile it properly, but until then I think it's more trouble than it's worth.
What is so confusing? It is, by definition, a box set; therefore, you check the box. What else would you check? It isn't a digipack; it isn't a snapper.
Like I said, profile it as if it were a TV disc with episodes -- for now. Actually, since it is a box set, if I were doing it locally, I would profile it as the master and only the master at this point, and wait until we can properly profile each movie as a child profile. I don't think the users would stand for that, however. They simply don't have the patience or the foresight. Actually, if you look at Kevin's, Achim's, Andy's, Rick's and my posts, that is exactly what we are saying. Because it can't be profiled properly, meaning a child profile for each film, there is no reason to create a child profile at all. Just make it a single profile like so many other single sided/double features in the system and use dividers to divide the cast. I realize I said, "It can't be a Box Set". I guess I should have said, it can't be profiled as a Box Set. I figured, taken with the rest of my post, that would have been obvious...guess I was wrong.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kevin Coed: Quote:
Quoting Rifter:
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The case type for a master profile is NOT a digipack for example, nor is it a keepcase.
You're wrong. If a collection of films comes in a digipack then digipack is what we use. Same goes for any other case-type. Box set is used, for example, for a slipcase containing several digipacks. No, you are wrong. Rules define boxset "Sets where each film is on a separate disc, but not individually packaged. This includes gatefold Digipaks and 2-Disc sets in normal DVD cases." So for example Alien Quadrology R2 Finland which is in digipak you set: Master profile: Boxset Child profiles: Digipak Simple... BTW: this is pretty stupid limitation on the program since we can have DVDs with same UPC, same title, but different locality. But we can't have same UPC, same loclity, but different title.  |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 278 |
| | Posted: | | | | You're quoting the rules for boxset profiles, not case types.
Try again. | | | | Guns don't kill people. Hammers do. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | That is one of the MAIN examples, kulju. Read the Rules again
"The term "Box Set" is used to define any release that includes more than one film. The main examples are:
* Sets where each film is packaged individually, and held together in a package of some kind.
* Sets where each film is on a separate disc, but not individually packaged. This includes gatefold Digipaks and 2-Disc sets in normal DVD cases.
* Sets containing 2 films, one on each side of Dual-Sided DVD."
It does not say these are the examples or the ONLY examples. they are NOT, nor were they supposed to be.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 278 |
| | Posted: | | | | You're missing his point, Skip. He's talking about case types. | | | | Guns don't kill people. Hammers do. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Iwas typing while you were, kev. Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 950 |
| | Posted: | | | | Wow, didn't realize that I was going to stir up the hornet's nest! I'll go with the general consensus and refer to it as a box set but keep the dividers without making child profiles. I'll hope that in the next update of the program that this problem gets answered.
How about my other question? In the original Parent Trap, Susan Henning played the twin on screen opposite of Hayley Mills. She's shown from the side and back mainly, but once her full face is shown (the food fight at camp.) She acted along side Mills even when she was replaced and went through a lot of the triaining with her...My source is one of the featurettes from this box set, plus I think the same one is on the newer release of the Parent Trap, as well.
I got one answer that she should be considered a stunt actor so not credited. I'm leaning towards uncredited actor. Anyone else want to chime in? Thanks! | | | | Lori |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting LJG: Quote:
Wow, didn't realize that I was going to stir up the hornet's nest! I'll go with the general consensus and refer to it as a box set but keep the dividers without making child profiles. I'll hope that in the next update of the program that this problem gets answered.
How about my other question? In the original Parent Trap, Susan Henning played the twin on screen opposite of Hayley Mills. She's shown from the side and back mainly, but once her full face is shown (the food fight at camp.) She acted along side Mills even when she was replaced and went through a lot of the triaining with her...My source is one of the featurettes from this box set, plus I think the same one is on the newer release of the Parent Trap, as well.
I got one answer that she should be considered a stunt actor so not credited. I'm leaning towards uncredited actor. Anyone else want to chime in? Thanks! Like I said, we don't credit stunt people except in very narrow circumstances. If this other girl isn't listed in the cast list as a stunt double then don't list her at all. | | | John
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | If she is not listed in the cast list, but you find her mentioned to be onscreen during the Featurettes, then yes, you could add her as uncredited.
In this case the question is though, how much value does this add? She is only seen from the back (as she is supposed to be someone else, I assume) and her face probably appears during the food fight only accidentally. | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ya_shin: Quote:
If she is not listed in the cast list, but you find her mentioned to be onscreen during the Featurettes, then yes, you could add her as uncredited.
In this case the question is though, how much value does this add? She is only seen from the back (as she is supposed to be someone else, I assume) and her face probably appears during the food fight only accidentally. Since when do we give stunt people a credit, regular or uncredited? Yes, she is mentioned in the featurette, but so what? She's identified as a stunt double. We don't credit stunt people, period. There is only one concession made as far as including stunt people in the credits and that is if they appear as part of the regular credit list and are an integral part of it, and not at the very end. So, even if she was listed in the normal fashion stunt people are listed in the credits, we wouldn't include her. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
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| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 31 |
| | Posted: | | | | John, she is NOT a STUNT double, she is a stand-in for when they needed Haley Mills on screen to play both of the sisters at the same time. As such she could very easily be listed as an uncredited actress.
Mike |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 813 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting MikeW: Quote:
John, she is NOT a STUNT double, she is a stand-in for when they needed Haley Mills on screen to play both of the sisters at the same time. As such she could very easily be listed as an uncredited actress.
Mike I agree. I see no harm at all listing here as uncredited. | | | Andy 
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| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 742 |
| | Posted: | | | | Same here. IMO she can be added as an uncredited actor as she's not performing stunts but playing the role. @T!M: Your question wasn't dumb, but experience told me we'd start walking the well treaded path of "Case Type <-> Content" once more  | | | | Lutz |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
We don't credit stunt people, period. Occasionally we do | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting MikeW: Quote:
John, she is NOT a STUNT double, she is a stand-in for when they needed Haley Mills on screen to play both of the sisters at the same time. As such she could very easily be listed as an uncredited actress.
Mike Wrong. By definition, a stunt double is someone who stands in for an actor/actress when they can't or in special circumstances, AND when doing stunts. Also known as 'body double'. No actual stunts have to be performed. For example: Alan Ladd did a movie the same year Shane came out about Arthur and the Round Table. Many of the battle scenes were done in Spain, but there was a typhoid outbreak there and the studio wouldn't let Ladd enter the country. As a result, all the scenes he was in from Spain were done by his stunt double, and the closeups were shot at Pinewood in England. Just watched it last night, and you can't tell it isn't him. That's the exact purpose of a stunt double. In any case, if the commentary refers to the girl as a stunt double or body double, who are you to change that. We don't credit stunt people. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
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| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 950 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
In any case, if the commentary refers to the girl as a stunt double or body double, who are you to change that. We don't credit stunt people. But they don't call her a stunt double...in fact, they treated her like an actor except for the fact that she signed her rights away to be billed. She got one of the 3 Duckster? (statue of Donald) awards Disney gave out for being above and beyond the normal actor for doing it. I'm willing to go with the majority and won't contribute even if I change it locally, but to me, she's acting in the film... Rifter, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. | | | | Lori |
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