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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,738 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ya_shin: Quote:
Why get rid of the digipak, you'll still need it for the child profiles. What if I choose to not use child profiles? Then I'd be stuck with "box set" as case type? Even though I'm sitting here with one of the most obvious digipacks you've ever seen in your life right beside me? Seriously: I'm willing to bend logic quite a bit to follow the rules here, but this is a bridge too far. A digipak is a digipak, and I'll stick with that. I'll also keep voting accordingly, and having seen the voting results on this particular 'Blackadder' update, I'm happy to report that an overwhelming majority of the other users did the same, and this particular copy of 'Blackadder' will remain a 'digipak'. |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 |  Posts: 426 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Tracer: Quote:
In the exapmles given like Alien Quadrilogy; the parent profile really doesn't have any DVDs that are physically held by the outer case. You could easily throw it away and you would still have the individual discs being held by their respective packaging.
That would EXACTLY be the reason why T!M (and I as well) would NOT use Boxset for the parent profile. If you can still keep the disks together without the outer sleeve/box, that parent would just use the inner case type, not 'box set'. Anyway, I guess I'll have to go over my box sets tonight: * outer case has 1 opening -> make them 'Boxset' case type * outer case has 2 openings -> leave as is ;) |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Repter: Quote:
Also to what extent is that case type forum thread with images authoritative ? The opening post is already as confusing as the rules. Why talk about Slip Cases when the software uses Boxset... Quoting the Rules: Quote:
There is further information about case types, images showing each type, and the opportunity to ask questions if unsure, in the Case Types thread in the forum – click here | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 951 |
| | Posted: | | | | I actually have a release where there are two keep cases and one envelope, all placed inside a slip case. | | | Are you local?
This is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
What if I choose to not use child profiles? Then I'd be stuck with "box set" as case type? That would be the case. (no pun intended) Quote:
Even though I'm sitting here with one of the most obvious digipacks you've ever seen in your life right beside me? The initial post did not describe what the "outer shell" of Blackadder looks like. Is it a Slip Case or a Slip Cover? (Don't worry, I won't argue further, I am just curious at this point.) | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Posts: 426 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Tracer: Quote:
I actually have a release where there are two keep cases and one envelope, all placed inside a slip case. That's no problem. That is a Boxset, both according to the actual rules and to what T!M and I thought were the rules. The challenge would be : what would be the case type in case it was not a Slip Case but a Slip Cover. According to the rules, you should then take the case type of the children... good luck  . BTW, it is not so much the fact that a single item inside a Case would be Boxset (except for a single movie which is also ridiculous) that annoys me, it is the fact that a Slip Cover is then again treated differently, just because it happens to have an extra opening  . Anyway, I'll stop now, and just apply the rules as they are apparently meant to be. I'll make sure to refer to this thread when submitting, or otherwise I'll get a ton of No votes  . | | | | Last edited: by hevanw |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 951 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting ya_shin:
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Why get rid of the digipak, you'll still need it for the child profiles.
What if I choose to not use child profiles? Then I'd be stuck with "box set" as case type? No you would be stuck with whatever you decied to keep locally in you DB. We need to keep this discussion to the Online. If your contributing something to the online DB espically a Box Set the box set rules need to apply. The parent profiled as to the rules and the children profiled the way they should be according to the rules. If a user chooses to only to use the parent profile that is their choice. | | | Are you local?
This is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 951 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Repter: Quote:
Quoting Tracer:
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I actually have a release where there are two keep cases and one envelope, all placed inside a slip case.
That's no problem. That is a Boxset, both according to the actual rules and to what T!M and I thought were the rules.
The challenge would be : what would be the case type in case it was not a Slip Case but a Slip Cover. According to the rules, you should then take the case type of the children... good luck . Does the slip cover physically hold the disc in place? The very term cover means it doesn't, so if you remove the cover what is then holding the disc? | | | Are you local?
This is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways. |
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| Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting rvlier: Quote:
This must be discussed before, but I couldn't find a topic. I couldn't find a clear answer in the rules as well.
I have submitted a change to a box set (The Complete Blackadder, AEN 7-321931-934091). This box can be described as a carton box containing a digipak with discs for all seasons. This digipack folds out like a big '+' shape (not a long big '----' shape or a book type shape)
I was always under the impression that the box set (parent profile) has as case type 'box set' (unless it is a special case like fe. the Alien head for the Alien movies) and the child profile have the type of box they are in (digipack, keep case etc.)
Am I mistaken? Are the 'No' voters right for saying that the box set profile itself should have as case type 'digipack'? In that case: when is a case type set to 'box set'? Going by your description, you have it correct. Box set for the parent and the child profiles all get a Digipak. Digipak is debatable because digipak made the thing but it folds out differently. For the main DB I would list the child profiles as digipak but if you want it as custom, make it local. | | | | Dan | | | | Last edited: by Dan W |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Posts: 426 |
| | Posted: | | | | Wait a second, is this the Dan that was referred to, who is now saying the parent profile IS a Digipak ?!?!?!
*running away yelling* ;p |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Posts: 426 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Tracer: Quote:
Does the slip cover physically hold the disc in place? The very term cover means it doesn't, so if you remove the cover what is then holding the disc? Yes, the example: take 1 keep case, 1 jewel and 1 envelope. Slide them in a Slip Cover. What case type is the parent profile ? I know it is just a fake example but illustrates why it makes no sense to treat Slip Cover differently from Slip Case. In both cases they hold the contents together. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 951 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would go with either "Box Set" or Custom, since we do not have an option for "Slip Cover". The children would be whatever type of case is holding them. | | | Are you local?
This is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways. |
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| Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Repter: Quote:
Wait a second, is this the Dan that was referred to, who is now saying the parent profile IS a Digipak ?!?!?!
*running away yelling* ;p As I said, if his description is correct, that's what it would be. I do not have this set so it may well be a slip cover rather than a slip case. As was suggested on page two, follow the images. If, in fact, it is a slip cover, the case type is digipak. | | | | Dan | | | | Last edited: by Dan W |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 906 |
| | Posted: | | | | What is the logic behind calling a slip case with one keep case inside it a boxset, when one slip cover with one keep case inside it isn't a boxset? | | | 
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting reybr: Quote:
What is the logic behind calling a slip case with one keep case inside it a boxset, when one slip cover with one keep case inside it isn't a boxset? Who says it can't be? If that single keepcase contains multiple discs/films then it's a box set. | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,738 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting reybr: Quote:
What is the logic behind calling a slip case with one keep case inside it a boxset, when one slip cover with one keep case inside it isn't a boxset? Beats me... Luckily we have a voting system that can deal with this kind of nonsense: out there in the "real world" there is absolutely no-one who would buy this. I'm speaking from experience: we just had quite a laugh here over dinner when I tried to explain this...  Again, I know a digipak when I see one, and the decisve factor is not whether it has a "slip cover" or a "slip case" - whatever the difference may be. Why do some people persist in choosing the most illogical route? So many things could be so perfectly simple... I'm suddenly not at all surprised that this topic keeps coming up - how can you possibly expect users to understand that "slip covers" and "slip cases" - two definitions that appear neither in the rules, nor in the software, I might add - are to be handled in an entirely different manner? I'm sorry, but this is really beyond me. |
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