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Need Storage Options for my Massively Growing Collection.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorm.cellophane
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Respect to the great collectors around here. But without trying to hijack this discussion, I have to say I don't understand how can one push for a 3000+ disc collection (or 10000+ or whatever is the top number). I would question that you can like so many movies, so many series. You buy them to have them, not to like them. And in the end, you don't own your collection, it itself owns you. Racks and walls, and rooms, and attics, warehouses, etc. Who's winning here? You watching the movies or the dust on that 2482nd disc on the 13th shelf? Hmm.

I mentioned 3,000 only to provide the context for what my storage situation is. The number is not one that I'm pushing for in the sense that I want to "achieve" that. The number is unimportant to me in that regard.

I do like all of my movies, with the small exception of a few which I have purchased exclusively for my kids.    Other than that, yes, I like them all.  My tastes are quite varied. Currently in the 'recently watched' banner in my signature, there are films representing every decade, except one, stretching back nearly 70 years.

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Secondly some numbers need to be adjusted. 1TB HDD (now you know where I'm coming from) is in the range of $170 nowadays. A 5 to 10TB solution is not so difficult to design. And the way I see it, 'cause I'm spinning one like that, I can program random lists, combined series for every night, move movies around by genre, by another 123 criteria, have my own TV schedule for weeks without repeating anything. And it play instantaneously, with one click. BTW J.River Media Center user here.

A server situation will not work for me. Too many people; too many playing locations. But cool that it works for you.

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So how is that compared to flipping discs... after you spend some time looking through that gargantuan collection of racks and walls, and rooms, full of cases?!

I know where they all are. And they're not even in alpha order. 
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Well, great for you guys. Far from me to comment on any subjective matters as tastes, ways, means, etc. I've been reading this forum for a long while, and my fascination is purely related to the mechanics of such collections. And although I trust very little charts and stuff like that, I can't help but fall back on numbers. By the time I hit 250 on imdb I already might not know some titles. Collections in the thousands... it means I can watch a movie every day for at least 3 years in a row without repeating. If I have to watch 2 movies in a row every day... I guess there are some guys in the world that are tied to the movie industry and that's their job to watch movies every day, but I have to wonder how all they got together on this forum . Because for the average movie-lover I don't picture him as having the time to watch 2 movies every day. Furthermore I cannot imagine the... elasticity of such a passion/interest. It's probably just me and my limits. Can't help but notice though, tongue-in-cheek style, that you can collect 2 or more movies every day... but that's something else.

As for the technical side I'm very convinced that this big, physical collections have no future. DVDs definitely look nice all stacked together but - say I have a non-hacked standalone player -  by the time I have to look through one of these mighty collections, pick up the title, put it in the player, go through the forced commercials, some unskipable, then watch the movie... I grow tired after so many years of this procedure. It's my way now. Type the title - it pops out as I'm typing. One click - it plays.

And arguably you can stream it everywhere, multiple locations; especially for DVDs, bandwidth won't be a problem even to stream more at once. And then there are N routers, RAID arrays and so on. It certainly might not look like the idea to embrace when you have so many titles in your collection - I used 6 drives just to cut the ripping time for ~500 discs - but the idea has certain advantages.

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So how is that compared to flipping discs... after you spend some time looking through that gargantuan collection of racks and walls, and rooms, full of cases?!

I know where they all are. And they're not even in alpha order. 


OK, this is meant to be a very friendly observation, don't take me wrong: you do realize you don't have to know where they are? Up to around my first 200 DVDs I knew exactly from what store/online retailer I bought each, what was the general occasion, what version it was - if I should look for the... italian version 'cause it's longer - and so on. And my CDs were always arranged in their cases to be straight while facing up, not rotated 3 degrees, God forbid.
I don't know if I'm right, it's just my opinion now that these are THINGS. Meant to serve you. It's the art of the movies that should be praised - if necessary, not the way a DVD stay on the shelf (or not). There are ideas to be watched, talent to admire, not spending time doing intricate math about this new type of shelf that has a geometry that'll allow storage for 100 discs more than the old shelf. Just my point of view.
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LOL, to be precise I have 790,828 minutes of material on DVD, that does not include the time of any Bonus Material. I dson't suffer from your handicap, however, uni, I know all 4000+ Profiles and where they were obtained, except perhaps the few which I bought 10 years ago which were purchased from thew now defunct Reel.com. Just as you noted I purchase everyone of them based on my perception of how they fit in media history. There are some titles in the AFI Top 100 that have no interest for me personally, my view of their importance does not coincide with the AFI...they have their opinion and I have mine. More importantly besides my personal appreciation for each and every title in in my collection, I also recognized many years ago the tragedy of the material that has been lost to the vagaries of time, accidents and film degradation, in some small way I am trying to do my samll part to make sure some of these treasures will be preserved. A 1950's TV series which many of us are familiar with "Sky King" has only the latter half of it's run still extant, the first half of the series was lost in a fire at Radio City Musci Hall many years ago. Recently Paramount released the First Season of the 1960's show "The Invaders", this show actually had TWO pilots (very unusual in that time), there was "The Beachead" which was broadcast on the ABC Network then there was a 10 minute longer version which was broadcast in Europe. The European pilot was presumed lost many many years ago, when Paramount announced the title for release, many fans hoped to see the European cut in the set, Paramount listened and tried to find a copy to no avail, so they asked the fans of the show to try and help and lo and behold a fan, not unlike myself, produced a copy he had squirreled away years ago, he sent it to Paramount and this treasure has been returned to rightful place in history. Many and legion are such tales of what the serious collectors have managed to do for the benefit of all.

So just because you make a choice to limit your collection in size and scope for your purposes and reasons, likewise the die-hard film fans do the same thing. I can promise you that Hollywood is digitizing everything these days BUT they are also retaining hard copies of every title as well, and taking new steps to preserve the Original film as well.

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I would question that you can like so many movies, so many series. You buy them to have them, not to like them. And in the end, you don't own your collection, it itself owns you. Racks and walls, and rooms, and attics, warehouses, etc. Who's winning here? You watching the movies or the dust on that 2482nd disc on the 13th shelf? Hmm.


With all due respect...speak for yourself. You may not like so many movies in your collection but I love movies. Every film I purchased, I purchased because I either liked it or had high hopes for it. I'm not in it for any records or awards. I've watched every movie in my collection, many more than once. And how I spend my hard-earned income is of no concern to you or anyone else for that matter.

Good day


Well put 8ballmax,

Ive spent the past god knows how many years making my collection what it is today. Fair enough there is a few in there that I may not want to watch ever again, but like you, I bought with high hopes that it would be my cup of tea.

But over all, we spend our hard earned money on some thing we love to do, and thats collect and watch movies to our hearts content. My collection is over 1000 (still haven't finished putting all of them on my list!) and it took me a long time, but im proud of it! 
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... I can program random lists, combined series for every night, move movies around by genre, by another 123 criteria, have my own TV schedule for weeks without repeating anything. ...


One of the reasons I'm here is the question of which way makes the most sense between physical discs and the hard-drive media-server method.  A friend convinced me that it makes sense for music, because you have your own personal "radio station" that can surprise you with music from your own library in some order besides the tracks on each disc in the order they were recorded.  And you can program an evening's music, from before-dinner Vivaldi to sunset seranades.  But treating movies like that?  That seems really weird to me.

I can't imagine trying to plan weeks or even days in advance what I'd want to watch.  I might want to be soothed after a hard day, or stimulated after a dull one -- I don't know which kind I'm going to have in advance.  A random list would be just as useless to me as a pre-planned one.  On ther other hand, poking through the actual movies gives me a sense of the possibilities....
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... I also recognized many years ago the tragedy of the material that has been lost to the vagaries of time, accidents and film degradation, in some small way I am trying to do my samll part to make sure some of these treasures will be preserved. ...

... I can promise you that Hollywood is digitizing everything these days BUT they are also retaining hard copies of every title as well, and taking new steps to preserve the Original film as well.

Skip


Another thing about hard drives is that they are not guaranteed to last forever. 

The friend who worked so hard on convincing me that hard drive is the best way to store music has also asked me to store a complete backup of his collection at my house (on additional hard drives, which he will send me).  This is in case of disaster, like fire or flood, but also just in case one of his huge hard drives suddenly crashes to rise no more.  So if you are cautious, you maybe end up storing the collection and stashing it on TWICE the number of hard drives you need just to store the movies once.

Oh -- and since he has always known that media-server storage is subject to the ills that plague all computers, he has never actually gotten rid of his physical CD collection.  So he has that in storage too!

Rrealistically, it seems kind of iffy to have just the hard-drives. So you can spend a LOT of money setting up a movie jukebox and just wind up with MORE stuff.  Except maybe the physical movies are in the attic instead of all over the living room.
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I would question that you can like so many movies, so many series. You buy them to have them, not to like them. And in the end, you don't own your collection, it itself owns you. Racks and walls, and rooms, and attics, warehouses, etc. Who's winning here? You watching the movies or the dust on that 2482nd disc on the 13th shelf? Hmm.


With all due respect...speak for yourself. You may not like so many movies in your collection but I love movies. Every film I purchased, I purchased because I either liked it or had high hopes for it. I'm not in it for any records or awards. I've watched every movie in my collection, many more than once. And how I spend my hard-earned income is of no concern to you or anyone else for that matter.

Good day


Well put 8ballmax,

Ive spent the past god knows how many years making my collection what it is today. Fair enough there is a few in there that I may not want to watch ever again, but like you, I bought with high hopes that it would be my cup of tea.

But over all, we spend our hard earned money on some thing we love to do, and thats collect and watch movies to our hearts content. My collection is over 1000 (still haven't finished putting all of them on my list!) and it took me a long time, but im proud of it! 


Agreed. I've been collecting for some years now, at a great financial cost... but looking back do I regret it...? Hell no.

I too have watched the majority of my collection at least once, and enjoy the fact that I can watch a certain movie whenever I choose, as I own it.

I am also proud of my collection, as it has grown as I have, and I will carry on buying and watching films until I take my last breath.
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I like to view my collection as a library. I enjoy buying movies, and have the freedom to see whatever I'd like, whenever I like. I love buying new shelves and to keep all movies in order. Adding the VHS and laserdiscs, I'm up to appr. 6500 titles, so no need to stop now.

Sure, many I only watch once (actually most, but I do plan on rewatching quite a lot sometime) but most times I won't be able to find half of the titles available to rent. And renting is a hassle. (I also have no option to buy downloads, and of course no desire to).

People spend their money on all kinds of things, so I see no problem spending my own money on movies. It also gives me something to do the day I retire. Even if 8ballMax may have overreacted, I don't see any reason why others should in any way care about how we spend our money.

Somehow people get shocked over my collection of movies, but see it as natural to spend the same amount I have on movies, on a car which will drop half it's value in a few years. Or spend it all on parties.
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Update on the hard-drive option for storing & serving movies (& music):

My friend has said he's goig to send me his collection for safekeeping.  He's mailing them to me on hard drives.  He figures I'd be interested in at least some of it, and used that interest to help encourage me to check the drives when they arrive to make sure they are intact from their trip. So far so good.

Then he said, well, these drives are going to be packed really full.  Drives like to be about half full if you're really going to access them; to use them as sources for your "media server" system.  So he doesn't want me to play things directly off his drives.  He tends to know whereof he speaks, and he sounded very sure about that 'half full' thing.

So did the amount of hard drive space necessary to really do this just double AGAIN?
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Well, It's hard to see but this is how I handle my collection. It is a little difficult to take pictures that accurately show how it is set up.  I have a room dedicated to the primary collection library with the last picture showing overflow in my home office.




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WOW, that is impressive Nighthawke.  Are those stacked bookcases?
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Well, It's hard to see but this is how I handle my collection. It is a little difficult to take pictures that accurately show how it is set up.  I have a room dedicated to the primary collection library with the last picture showing overflow in my home office.





LOL, we now have proof that you are a very sick man, Night. Nurse Ratched said she will never let you out alone again.        

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Hehe, that is probably something close to 10000 titles (the angles are playing tricks on me, I don't know when to turn 90 degrees after counting the first 5500 discs in the pictures). So I see, the purpose was to buy the store and put it into the house. This definitely takes the cake. One can hardly one up this collection, unless the next set of pictures shows the pressing plant inside the house too...!
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His profile link says he has over 7060 some DVDs, so more than your average Blockbuster I do believe!!!
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