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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote: Quoting Addicted2DVD:
Quote: Quoting pauls42:
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yup... just a standard 20" 4:3 TV. They are still very common in the US. The widescreen TVs are still to much on the expensive side. In my area I haven't seen one under $1000.00 yet.
I've just gone on to Amazon, and a good 42" Plasma, 1080P is less than $900. (and that includes free delivery up to the room you want). (not that I'm saying you need to go to Amazon).
Thanks for the heads up. I hope to be able to upgrade in the next year or so. (I want to upgrade my computer first.)
But question... Which is better Plasma or LCD? I heard you can easily have problems with a Plasma screen.
If you are a purist, go with a Plasma. The colors are richer, skin tones are life-like, blacks are truely black and the overall picture quality is awesome. If you just want a widescreen and don't care too much about picture quality, then go with LCD. LCD colors, in my opinion, are exagerated, skin tones look plastic, blacks are not truely black, there is too much pixelation and motion blur. Granted, Plasmas are more expensive. A 42" 1080p Plasma will run you around $1,000.00, while a 42" - 46" 1080p LCD will run from $700-1,200. While there is a possibility of image burn-in with Plasmas, Anti image retention technology today has greatly reduced the chances of that happening. I own a 42" 1080p Panasonic Viera Plasma and simply love it. I disagree with 8Ballrelative to LCD vs Plasma. The actual issue regarding the two is going to be cast and where you plan to put the screen. If you are putting the set into a room which is brightly lit or with "open" windows. then LCD would be your best answer due to the glare characteristics common to plasma. LCD is a less expensive option but even there be careful. First, of course get 1080P capable.Next is the refresh rate of the set the minimum should be 120 hz, there are sets that run as high as 240 or 480, this will have a major effect on what I call image blur or image retention, blurring of fast moving action...the higher the refresh rate the better the image. There are many LCDs which, due to a new ttechnology are developing pictures every bit as good as the plasmas, though this is going to be the more expensive units. Instead of A lamp being used to drive the LCD which limits your contrast ratio and color brightness, some have gone to LED's, the best is one LED for each pixel, this of course gives tremendous capabilities to the set and can develop Contrast RATIOS UPWARDS OF 10,000 TO 1. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,321 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting bigdaddyhorse: Quote: Don't watch the black bars, watch what's between them, that's where the movie is. Quoting 8ballMax: Quote: Directors may shoot their film at a certain aspect ratio for a reason. Limiting them to 16:9 would be an insult to their creativity. I think you both nailed my feelings exactly. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here. Create fake parent profiles to organize your collection. |
| Registered: June 9, 2007 | Posts: 1,208 |
| Posted: | | | | I'll be waiting to see if OLED (orgarnic light emitting diode) technology takes off before buying another set. 100% colour reproduction and 1,000,000:1 (yes 1 million) contrast ratio sounds good but I've read that there are problems with the lifespan of the blue LED. However, Wikipedia has it down as 14,000hrs which doesn't sound too bad. Link, Link, Wiki |
| Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | It'll be quite a few years down the road before OLED screens big enough for home theatre use become affordable. Regarding Pete's question: both plasma and LCD screens have their advantages and disadvantages, although film purists tend to lean towards plasma. Advantages of LCD: - brighter than plasmas (and hence more suitable for very brightly lit rooms) - less screen reflection - no image retention or burn-in - lower power consumption. Advantages of plasma: - deeper blacks (and therefore better overall colour display) than traditional LCDs (companies like Samsung and Philips claim their LED backlit LCDs come close to plasma screens in this area) - (much) wider viewing angle without any loss of picture quality - no motion blur with fast movement (e.g. a moving ball during sports matches) - LCDs need special techniques to display fast moving objects correctly - higher contrast ratios - according to some, plasma pictures look more "natural" (and CRT-like) than LCD pictures, which tend to look more "digital" or "artificial". But this is also a question of personal taste. In the end, it largely depends on how you're going to use your TV. E.g. if you need a large viewing angle (watching the screen with many people from different angles), plasma is the way to go. And as Skip pointed out, if you're going to watch in a very brightly lit room, LCD would be the technology of choice. More on these issues can be found here, here and here. One final word of caution: what screens look like on a high street shop floor does not mean anything. The typical shop is very brightly lit and many screens (especially the ones the shop is trying to push) have been turned up to stand out from the rest. You ought to be able to watch a screen in a setting with lighting conditions similar to how you're going to watch it at home and you should be able to fiddle with the screen settings. What type of signal is fed to the screen makes a big difference as well (could be anything between Blu-ray and analogue TV - make sure you are comparing same-quality signals! Better still: take a Blu-ray or DVD you are familiar with to the shop and compare using that!). Some forums can be of help as well, e.g. the AVS Forums, the Home Theater Forums, TV forums or the CNET forums. Good luck, Pete! | | | Last edited: by dee1959jay |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Thanks... going by what is said here... the LCD may be better for me when the time comes. | | | Pete |
| Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,621 |
| Posted: | | | | I have one of them fancy Samsung 67" DLP/LCD hybrids and I love it. The only issue mentioned here that I ever see is tinting when viewing at a bad angle. Since it's in a room that's very bright during the day, it's perfect (except it's only 60hz refresh, but I still don't notice any blur when watching sports, and I watch all sports!). I'd recommend looking into one if shopping for a new set. It seems to have most of the advantages (brighter, no burn-in, great contrast ratio, longer bulb life {which I can't recall now but was higher than I was told to look for}, and few if any disadvantages. My friends aren't really techies ot experts, but everyone is jealous of this set when they come over for a game.
I think the old BluRay display at Best Buy was on a true LCD, because looking at that I saw the plastic-ness and fake skin-tones, the over-exagerated colors, and thought to myself the whole thing looked fake (and that was probably at 1080p). With my set it feels like I'm at whatever game I watch, and that's just from 1080i cable, haven't taken the BR plunge yet but am on the diving board. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,692 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote:
If you are a purist, go with a Plasma. The colors are richer, skin tones are life-like, blacks are truely black and the overall picture quality is awesome. If you just want a widescreen and don't care too much about picture quality, then go with LCD. LCD colors, in my opinion, are exagerated, skin tones look plastic, blacks are not truely black, there is too much pixelation and motion blur. Granted, Plasmas are more expensive. A 42" 1080p Plasma will run you around $1,000.00, while a 42" - 46" 1080p LCD will run from $700-1,200. While there is a possibility of image burn-in with Plasmas, Anti image retention technology today has greatly reduced the chances of that happening. I own a 42" 1080p Panasonic Viera Plasma and simply love it. I have exactly the same - a 42" 1080P Panasonic Vierra Plasma. And it blows away every LCD that I've seen. I left my neighbours (who have a 42" LCD) in tears. | | | Paul |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 4,596 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting pauls42: Quote: Quoting 8ballMax:
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If you are a purist, go with a Plasma. The colors are richer, skin tones are life-like, blacks are truely black and the overall picture quality is awesome. If you just want a widescreen and don't care too much about picture quality, then go with LCD. LCD colors, in my opinion, are exagerated, skin tones look plastic, blacks are not truely black, there is too much pixelation and motion blur. Granted, Plasmas are more expensive. A 42" 1080p Plasma will run you around $1,000.00, while a 42" - 46" 1080p LCD will run from $700-1,200. While there is a possibility of image burn-in with Plasmas, Anti image retention technology today has greatly reduced the chances of that happening. I own a 42" 1080p Panasonic Viera Plasma and simply love it.
I have exactly the same - a 42" 1080P Panasonic Vierra Plasma. And it blows away every LCD that I've seen. I left my neighbours (who have a 42" LCD) in tears. It's true, isn't it? Plasma rocks . I have the 42" 1080p Panasonic Viera 42PZ85U. When I saw it side-by-side with comparable LCDs there was no doubt that it was the way to go. While it's true that in brightly light rooms Plasmas suffer from glare, my room is dimly lit with one window that has both louvered blinds and dark curtains...so I'm good to go . | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 2,366 |
| Posted: | | | | In the cinema I work I prefer scope (2.35:1), at home I prefer widescreen (1.78:1). | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | I have one preference...OAR. Beryond that...
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 4,596 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote: Quoting widescreenforever:
Quote: Anamorphic widescreen videos with aspect ratio of between 1:66 up to 1:95 should fill the 16x9 screen comfortably.. BUT films such as 2:00 all the way up to 2:89 will display black bars regardless of being anamorphic widescreen.. and What I'm discovering these days on HDTV ( NOT DVD) is the Panavision films shot in 2:35 are being 'downgraded' to 1:78 (anamorphic),.. so as pleasing as they are on your eyes..,and senses this anamorphic 'butchering' is going unnoticed by most viewers,(unconcerened by the actual aspect ratio) , as they prefer No black bars... on their Hi-Def sized screens .
I have my Sharp HDTV set to Automode for the screen format. If the signal is anamorphic, it automatically adjusts to fit. It isn't uncommon to see it switch back and forth between widescreen mode and full screen 1:33 mode when commercials play. I'll see black bars on top and bottom depending on the WS mode, and on the sides in FS. On TV programs that don't contain formatting info, the TV stretches 1:33 to 1:78 to fill the screen, which has the effect of making everything slightly 'fat' horizontally, but after a couple years of watching, I don't even notice anymore. My sister's 46" Sharp is the same way. Over Thanksgiving I was in her home and noticed that they were watching a program that was both stretched and cropped, top and bottom. I asked her why she watches programs like that, where all the people look fat and asked to see her remote. She got all huffy and refused to show me the remote and said "Don't touch it! We had a professional set it up so don't mess with it". I had to laugh....whatever. My Panasonic also automatically adjusts for screen format and the remote has Format button that, in case a program doesn't have formating info, I can switch it on-the-fly to H-Fill, Zoom, Full, Justify or 4:3...no stretchy fat people . | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,494 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote: Over Thanksgiving I was in her home and noticed that they were watching a program that was both stretched and cropped, top and bottom. I asked her why she watches programs like that, where all the people look fat and asked to see her remote. She got all huffy and refused to show me the remote and said "Don't touch it! We had a professional set it up so don't mess with it". I had to laugh....whatever. My Panasonic also automatically adjusts for screen format and the remote has Format button that, in case a program doesn't have formating info, I can switch it on-the-fly to H-Fill, Zoom, Full, Justify or 4:3...no stretchy fat people . How True.., If you set the auto mode yuo just leave it on Normal.. That way, analog 4:3 programing will have black pillars, Letterboxed films or commercials on analog/digital channels will also be rectangular in shape for letterbox.,( four black bars top bottom and sides,, and when you hit the HIDEF channels your 'normal' setting now reads 'Full,' and the image will be 16x9 .. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote: Quoting pauls42:
Quote: I have exactly the same - a 42" 1080P Panasonic Vierra Plasma. And it blows away every LCD that I've seen. I left my neighbours (who have a 42" LCD) in tears.
It's true, isn't it? Plasma rocks . I have the 42" 1080p Panasonic Viera 42PZ85U. When I saw it side-by-side with comparable LCDs there was no doubt that it was the way to go. While it's true that in brightly light rooms Plasmas suffer from glare, my room is dimly lit with one window that has both louvered blinds and dark curtains...so I'm good to go . I recently got the 42"1080p Panasonic Viera 42PZ800, after extensive research also involving some new Philips and Samsung LCD models with LED backlighting and the 200 Hz - that would be 240 in the US - Sony's. Very happy with the Panny - the others' picture just didn't look as "natural" to me as the Panny. And I agree with Skip and 8ball: OAR only, no fatties please! |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | The Viera's are definitely in the running for me. I haven't eliminated the Samsung's yet.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | Good luck with your decision-making, Skip! The US models of the Panny I've got have a THX setting which apparently works wonders. (Unfortunately it's not on the European models...) If you have the room and the cash for them (too big for my place, unfortunately), you might want to take a look at the 1080p Pioneer Kuro models as well. | | | Last edited: by dee1959jay |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 4,596 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting dee1959jay: Quote: Good luck with your decision-making, Skip! The US models of the Panny I've got have a THX setting which apparently works wonders. (Unfortunately it's not on the European models...) If you have the room and the cash for them (too big for my place, unfortunately), you might want to take a look at the 1080p Pioneer Kuro models as well. Yes, I've heard folks rave about the Pioneer Kuros. They blow the socks off other Plasma brands but also empty your bank account a lot quicker . | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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