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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote: By looking your online collection I think you don't watch much films made outside US. That usually leads to situation that person cannot see the differences... You really shouldn't judge what watch based on my collection as it isn't indicative of my movie going experience. The items in my collection are films I want to watch multiple times. For things I watch, you should look at my rental record. Quote: ..and this proves it. SPR is one of the most American movie you can find. First and last scene makes me sick every time. You cannot go sweeter that that. What comes to realizm it is flashy and looks great but it still screms Hollywood movie. Very very opposite to what I mean. Entertaining, hell yes (except first and last scene = pain). SPR has been touted as being one of the most realistic portrayals of WWII combat...especially the first 24 minutes. If that screams Hollywood movie to you, then I am not sure what your complaint is. Quote: Absolutely nothing, but all the scenes are not ment to make watcher comfortable. If you sugar coat some scenes, they will loose the whole point. Fine example would be the rape scene in Irréversible. It's very, very unpleasent to watch, but if done otherwise the whole tone of the movie would be different. Don't get me wrong, I like Hollywood one-size-fit-all entertainment too, but I can also enjoy a completely different styles of movie making. The question is why can't US watchers? I don't know where you get your ideas from, but I have seen plenty of Hollywood films that have made me uncomfortable...which is why you won't find them in my collection. As for the Hollywood one-size-fits-all entertainment, there is no such thing. If there were, I would have a much larger collection than I do because I would love everything that was ever made. Quote: If they could, there wouldn't be a need to start making remake just a few months after the original's premiere. When has this ever happened? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 2,337 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: When has this ever happened? First example that comes in mind [REC] 2007, Quarantine 2008. I bet that the original was still running on theatres when they started remake pre-production. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote: Quoting TheMadMartian:
Quote: When has this ever happened?
First example that comes in mind [REC] 2007, Quarantine 2008. I bet that the original was still running on theatres when they started remake pre-production. I didn't even know it was a remake but now, as I think Alien noted about remakes, I am quite interested in seeing the original. Had it not been for the remake, I never would have known it was out there. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | That is what I found when it comes to remakes... when I discover something is a remake... that just makes me want to see the original... bringing new fans to the original as well. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 2,337 |
| Posted: | | | | Do you think that the Let Me In (2010) is US original too? |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,328 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote: Do you think that the Let Me In (2010) is US original too? According to Stephen King, it's "The Best American Horror Film in the Last 20 Years!" | | | My Home Theater |
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Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | Big-budget movies have to be made to appeal to as wide an audience as possible to recoup their costs. This does generally mean they can't be very daring. This is no more true in the U.S. than elsewhere, the U.S. just makes more big-budget movies. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote: Do you think that the Let Me In (2010) is US original too? As I haven't seen the film, and have no intention to at this time, I had no real thought on it. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 2,337 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote: Big-budget movies have to be made to appeal to as wide an audience as possible to recoup their costs. This does generally mean they can't be very daring. True only in US and that's my point. Watch Män som hatar kvinnor which is a big budget movie for main stream european audience and you'll get my point. What is allowed in small US genge indie movies is every day TV-material in europe. That's why non-US watchers think that US remakes are watered down versions of originals = crappy. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote: Quoting xradman:
Quote: Quoting Kulju:
Quote: Do you think that the Let Me In (2010) is US original too? According to Stephen King, it's "The Best American Horror Film in the Last 20 Years!" Laugh all you want but the author of the book, John Ajvide Lindqvist, seems to agree with King's opinion. "I might just be the luckiest writer alive. To have not only one, but two excellent versions of my debut novel done for the screen feels unreal. Let the right one in is a great Swedish movie. Let me in is a great American movie. There are notable similarities and the spirit of Tomas Alfredson is present. But Let me in puts the emotional pressure in different places and stands firmly on its own legs. Like the Swedish movie it made me cry, but not at the same points. Let me in is a dark and violent love story, a beautiful piece of cinema and a respectful rendering of my novel for which I am grateful. Again." As I have seen neither, I will take his word for it. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | Nobody can accuse Solaris of being watered down for wide audiences (well, they could, but it would be an odd accusation to make). I think Insomnia is another good example of a US remake. As for the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, its budget was $13 million US according to Box Office Mojo. That's a tiny genre picture by US standards. The Night Watch series shows how the problems of big budgets aren't limited to the U.S. |
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Registered: March 10, 2009 | Posts: 2,248 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting xradman: Quote: Quoting Kulju: Do you think that the Let Me In (2010) is US original too? According to Stephen King, it's "The Best American Horror Film in the Last 20 Years!" They must have phoned him when he was drunk. Which is pretty much always. | | | Last edited: by ShinyDiscGuy |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 2,337 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote: Nobody can accuse Solaris of being watered down for wide audiences (well, they could, but it would be an odd accusation to make). Like I've said before I don't have anything against bringing old movies up-to-date when the only justification for the remake isn't money. There were 30 years between original and remake, not 30 months. Still I think you shouldnt even talk about them in a same day. Original kicks remake's ass (again) easily...and imdb agrees with me. Original 8.0, remake 6.2. Have you seen the original? |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 2,337 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Laugh all you want but the author of the book, John Ajvide Lindqvist, seems to agree with King's opinion. Yes, I continue laughing. Have you ever heard about promotion? Lets assume that it is the best US horror film in 20 years. The only thing that it tells us is how poor state US horror genre has been for last 20 years. If I'd like to see a good horror film made for example in this decade, I would see films from Spain, France, Mexico, UK, Australia, Canada, Sweden and so on. I cannot remember any really good horror film from the US for a long time. There has been some relative good though. |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 2,337 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting FilmAlba: Quote: They must have phoned him when he was drunk.
Which is pretty much always. He also have a nice track record for judging which movie adaptation is good and which is not. Shining....anyone? (which is by the way the only good Stephen King horror novel movie adaptation in my opinion.) |
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