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And don't get me started on the cover pictures from DVDP.  There are far too many times where the back cover picture is missing.

I didn't know that imdb has cover art for all DVD/Blu-ray/HD DVD releases. Or do you mean that no cover art at all is better than missing back cover?

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@movie_madness

I am trying to figure out what you are trying to accomplish here. 

Are you trying to convince people to move away from DVDP?, If so don't you think that this is not the proper place to do it.

Are you trying to get help in programming this idea of yours?  Are you looking for ideas?  Please help me understand here.

I work for a company that went from a thick platform to a thin platform.  It has not worked out so well.  What was really needed was somewhere in between.

What you are proposing is to go from a thick (local based) system, to a thin (cloud based, accessed through a web browser).

What people are telling you, is they do not want to abandon the local component, and want the cloud (or online) aspect as a secondary.  You are trying to emphasize the complete opposite.  You want a primarily online component with a local option.


I just do not feel, that having access to my collection online and editable 24 hours a day is of any benefit to me.  I do not feel that online primary is the way to go for me. 

I have an android device, I only use it whil I shop, to make sure I don't buy something I already have.  I was able to do this before, bu viewing my online collection.  I also have phpdvdprofiler, which I update, so friends can see my collection (they do not need to edit)

I think that there are many things that need to be addressed with DVDP, and the online editing is not very high on that list.

I'm here to point out the shortcomings of DVDP, which should be obvious.  I understand that you people are not liking the fact that I'm the bearer of bad news, but look around; I'm speaking the truth here.  This forum's traffic is nowhere near what it used to be.  DVDP hasn't been updated in two years.  You all are using a product that is going NOWHERE.  When was the last time you people gave money to Ken?  A DECADE ago when you first bought DVDP?  That's why this product NEEDS a steady stream of NEW customers.  And is this product doing anything to attract new customers??

Cloud technology for DVDP is a NO-BRAINER.  It is not a enterprise-level product that you have a call a meeting to decide whether to go cloud or not.  It's a HOME, LEISURE, "lifestyle" commercial product for mass users.  Look at your tablets and smartphone and see how many lifestyle apps use cloud technology.  Note-taking, calendar, photo-sharing, etc., practically every genre is using it.

You people are resisting it because you are WAY too old-school, way too set in your old ways of doing things that you naturally regard such a significant paradigm shift in thinking with resistance, suspicion, and even contempt.  But you are not doing Ken any favor if you keep that attitude.

It's amazing Ken is still giving product support for *PocketPC* users.  Those people should have thought of ditching their dinosaur device long ago instead of WASTING Ken's time and (AND YOUR MONEY) when he should be spending time improving the product.

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So I'm a "taker" now?  In addition to the $30 I paid for DVDP desktop, I also bought both iOS and Android versions just last year.  And I felt they were woefully insufficient for the reasons I have already delineated in great clarity.  Another reason I don't contribute is that I'm not a fan of the program, simple as that.  I have hardly used the program in any meaningful way.  I've spent an extraordinary amount of time entering data with its cumbersome interface, and the program has hardly benefited me.  So one day I said that's it for DVDP, time to look elsewhere.


not a fan of the program, but yet you made your initial purchase of the desktop version. And then in a stroke of genius purchased iOS and Android version, even though you were already not fan and not really using the program.

and now you want to be our savior and lead us to a new promise land. Thanks, I'll wander the desert on my own.

You mean you never bought a product that you initially liked and then later stopped liking?  Or am I dealing with a simpleton here who can't comprehend such common everyday occurrence?

Now I'm here to discuss what I dislike about these products, which is also common everyday occurrence. 

Why strain yourself to keep coming up with non-zingers like that when you have so little to work on?

When the mobile versions came out, I thought they were the major overhaul I needed.  But they turned out to be archaic in design just like the desktop version.

I started using DVDP over 10 years ago since Version 2.0, and bought it seven years ago

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I am trying to figure out what you are trying to accomplish here.

You're not the only one.

I think that one is quite easy to answer:

He's trying to find customers for a competing product.
Hence my remark that this thread should have been removed on day 1.

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TheMadMartian, don't you find your statement oxymoronic: "I want a local copy of my database that I can take with me anywhere I go."  If you want something anywhere you go, CLOUD is the thing.  I don't see how you are going to bring a PC software anywhere you go without hauling your PC around everywhere you go.

Seriously?  I had a copy of my local database on my iPhone and currently have it on my iPad so, no, I do not find my statement oxymoronic.  Not only do I have my collection everywhere I go, I don't need a connection nor do I have to rely on somebody else maintaining the cloud.

As for you not seeing how I am going to bring PC software anywhere I go without hauling my PC around everywhere I go, well, that doesn't even make any sense.  First, Profiler is on my laptop.  While I don't, I can take that everywhere I go.  Second, Profiler is also on my Surface Pro.  That I do take everywhere I go so, again, your statement doesn't make any sense.

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When you need to update disc info, DVDP has you do a massive global update on ALL discs.  Don't you know how last century that is?  If the data is on the cloud, you don't need to DO A THING.  The data is updated automatically in the cloud server without you ever knowing it.  THAT'S PROGRESS.  This society is built on progress.  Don't you people want to make the program better?

First, Profiler doesn't have you do anything.  The last time I did a global update was when I switched from Intervocative to invelos.  Second, one of the reasons I don't like your cloud ideas is because the data is updated automatically.  My database is set up the way I want it, not the way invelos wants it.  Automatic updates, for me, isn't progress.  It's a step backwards.  And finally, I don't need the program to be 'better' as it does exactly what I need it to do.  I'm sorry it doesn't do what you want it to do, but your better isn't my better.

You haven't changed in the 2 years since we last posted, and are still posting would-be arguments that don't accomplish a thing.  I mean, look at what you posted to me last time.  Your idea of an argument is that "it doesn't have to make sense" to another person.  For a person with common sense, that is called LOSING AN ARGUMENT, my friend.  So keep it up.

If you can't haul your laptop around, can you just admit you can't?  Why make a weasly statement like, "While I don't haul it around, I can."  It doesn't strengthen your argument any.  It only strengthen MY argument that it is difficult for anyone to carry any bulky equipment instead of a lightweight smartphone (which of course has LIMITED storage space, not enough for your gigabyte DVDP data).

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The data is updated automatically in the cloud server without you ever knowing it.  THAT'S PROGRESS.

In fact not only a few people consider "THE CLOUD" to be a step into the wrong direction.

The main reason here being security rsiks (User has to rely on the service-provider to protect his data). Can you even imagine how interesting a CLOUD-server (containing millions of highly confidential documents) is for criminal elements (Crackers) and/or Intelligence Agencies (in many cases these will even be the same)?

Here are 3 basic-rules on how to set-up any IT-infrastructure:
1) External Networking: Only if required
2) Internal Networking: Only if needed
3) Local: Whenever possible

Or in other words: As long as I can decide which of my personal is publicly available that is completely OK for me. But I will not be part of the strange Microsoft/Apple complex trying to tell me that local data is "Last Century" and Cloud-Computing is "The Next Big Thing". I will rather have my right arm cut off than providing anyone with more personal data than absolutely necessary.

I too am using CLOUD services, but mostly for external backups of my (and my customers) local data. And these backups get 2048 Bit encrypted BEFORE I send them.
Always remember: If you trust someone with your personal data, you are already betrayed.

Disc-cataloguing software is NOT at the level of the sensitive nature of the material you mentioned.  Of course, I would be concerned about security for my banking info, medical info and the likes.  But DVDP is a leisure product, and it contains data that just aren't as sensitive as other truly personal info.

You are ALREADY entrusting your personal info to someone every time you use your credit card, open a bank account, apply for a job, shall I go on?

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DVDP is still the best among this TYPE of software, but what I'm arguing is that this genre of software is really getting obsolete.  Even in its popular days, disc-cataloguing software was already a niche to begin with.  People who buy thousands of movies are a minority and always have been.  People who buy 1000+ of movies AND use disc-cataloguing are a minority within a minority.  And with cloud-technology taking over many applications, it should be obvious the handwriting is on the wall regarding DVDP's success.

If everything you just said is true, and I agree most of it is, how is putting the database 'in the cloud' going to change anything? 

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And don't get me started on the cover pictures from DVDP.  There are far too many times where the back cover picture is missing.

I didn't know that imdb has cover art for all DVD/Blu-ray/HD DVD releases. Or do you mean that no cover art at all is better than missing back cover?

Yeah, but WHERE do the contributors get the cover arts?  From PUBLICLY accessible websites of manufacturers, studios, and e-tailers, of course.  And I don't need DVDP contributors to do it for me.