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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 1,777 |
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For what it is worth, there is only one version in the online DB entitled Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds and that is UPC 025192027529. All other versions released are entitled The Birds. Are you telling me I have to buy a new copy to fix this? (It's a joke, folks)  | | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 820 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
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For what it is worth, there is only one version in the online DB entitled Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds and that is UPC 025192027529. All other versions released are entitled The Birds.
Are you telling me I have to buy a new copy to fix this? (It's a joke, folks) That would be my suggestion. It will cost you less in the long term than participating in this "discussion". |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,022 |
| | Posted: | | | | H.P. Lovecraft's Re-Animator Akira Kurosawa's Ran John Grisham's The Rainmaker Frank Capra's Arsenic and Old Lace John Carpenter's Assault On Precinct 13 David Lean's Brief Encounter Danio Argento's Card Player Tyler Perry's Daddy's Little Girls Tim Burton's Edward Scissorhands Walt Disney's Fantasia Howard Hawks' Gentlemen Prefer Blondes Frank Peretti's Hangmans Curse Frank Capra's It's A Wonderful Life John Woo's The Killer Jerry Wald's Lets Make Love George A. Romero's Night Of The Living Dead akira kurosawa's seven samurai The above took 2 minutes to find in my collection. Do we really believe these are the correct ways to record the titles??  Isn't it just an alternative way that most films are recorded such as 'a film by ...' or a ..... production'? I cannot argue that this may be how my particular issues are credited in some way and how the Hitchcock ones are, but I appeal for common sense and some thought of an alternative way that we can display perhaps a film's 'common name', and it's 'credited name' for that particular dvd issue if desired. | | |  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 813 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting richierich: Quote:
common sense Sorry, that is banned around here!  In all seriousness I completely agree with you. | | | Andy 
"Credited as" Names Database |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | The thing of it is, we have it right...so to speak. The rules simply state to use the title as it appears in the credits. Seems pretty straight foward and unambiguous, yet we actually disagree on what the credits say. Not only that, but we have mentioned a handful of films that have identically styled credits, yet we believe they say different things and therefore handle the titles differently. That's just weird. Why "Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds" and not "Alfred Hitchcock's Torn Curtain"? I'll be darned if I can answer that question. So far, I have yet to hear anyone actually answer this question, probably because it doesn't have a good answer.
On a side note, found another title we have wrong based on this logic. Just checked the credits and we have Alfred Hitchcock's North By Northwest, on separate screens of course. Anybody else starting to see a pattern with how he liked to be credited? | | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,022 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
The rules simply state to use the title as it appears in the credits. Seems pretty straight foward and unambiguous, yet we actually disagree on what the credits say. Not only that, but we have mentioned a handful of films that have identically styled credits, yet we believe they say different things and therefore handle the titles differently For the record, I agree the credits on certain dvds do say Alfred Hitchcock's Rebecca or Howard Hawks' Gentlemen Prefer Blondes, however I believe we should agree to use the common title for films where applicable. Similarly, I would say Stephen King's It is the 'common name' for that particular film, so it can work both ways. Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education  | | | |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote:
Quoting mdnitoil:Quote:
Shoot, I need to get your version then because mine doesn't have what you describe in it. Here, let me show you.
You can post all the silly screenshots you want to. It doesn't change the fact that the title in the credits is "Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds"  . Sorry, but that isn't a 'silly screenshot'. In the wonderful world of Profiler, it is called documentation. The ONLY way to get around that screenshot is to use the 'modified title' rule. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting richierich: Quote:
Quoting mdnitoil:
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The rules simply state to use the title as it appears in the credits. Seems pretty straight foward and unambiguous, yet we actually disagree on what the credits say. Not only that, but we have mentioned a handful of films that have identically styled credits, yet we believe they say different things and therefore handle the titles differently
For the record, I agree the credits on certain dvds do say Alfred Hitchcock's Rebecca or Howard Hawks' Gentlemen Prefer Blondes, however I believe we should agree to use the common title for films where applicable.
Similarly, I would say Stephen King's It is the 'common name' for that particular film, so it can work both ways.
Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education I can't agree on using a 'common title' for any film. The title should come from the film credits...as the rule states. The problem is, some people are trying to redefine what constitutes the 'title credit'.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | If we were to apply common sense, then perhaps we would recognize that Alfred Hitchcock was a master filmmaker. Surely if he wanted his films to be called Alfred Hitchcock's..., then he would have actually displayed those titles together on the screen. Of course, maybe he just didn't know any better.  |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,022 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
I can't agree on using a 'common title' for any film. The title should come from the film credits...as the rule states. The problem is, some people are trying to redefine what constitutes the 'title credit'. So, playing devils advocate here, if i showed you a film credit with 'akira kurosawa's seven samurai', you would think it a good thing for our database to change the title accordingly? | | | |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
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So, playing devils advocate here, if i showed you a film credit with 'akira kurosawa's seven samurai', you would think it a good thing for our database to change the title accordingly? I was actually curious about that one. Not being able to read Japanese, I have no idea what's on the screen. Does it actually say that? |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,022 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
If we were to apply common sense, then perhaps we would recognize that Alfred Hitchcock was a master filmmaker. Surely if he wanted his films to be called Alfred Hitchcock's..., then he would have actually displayed those titles together on the screen. Of course, maybe he just didn't know any better. my belief is that his films were credited on release as 'Alfred Hitchcock's etc etc'. My argument differs to yours though as to whether we want to record them as such in the d/b. Original poster below...  | | | | | | | Last edited: by hayley taylor |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting richierich: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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I can't agree on using a 'common title' for any film. The title should come from the film credits...as the rule states. The problem is, some people are trying to redefine what constitutes the 'title credit'.
So, playing devils advocate here, if i showed you a film credit with 'akira kurosawa's seven samurai', you would think it a good thing for our database to change the title accordingly? If the screen credit was on a single 'scene', similar to mdnitoil's screencap, then I would say that is what the rules say to do. Whether or not it is a good thing is another story completely and falls into the realm of personal preference. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,022 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting richierich:
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Quoting Unicus69:
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I can't agree on using a 'common title' for any film. The title should come from the film credits...as the rule states. The problem is, some people are trying to redefine what constitutes the 'title credit'.
So, playing devils advocate here, if i showed you a film credit with 'akira kurosawa's seven samurai', you would think it a good thing for our database to change the title accordingly?
If the screen credit was on a single 'scene', similar to mdnitoil's screencap, then I would say that is what the rules say to do. Whether or not it is a good thing is another story completely and falls into the realm of personal preference. you'll get splinters in your butt  I cannot believe anyone would want such a change, regardless of 'screen credit proof'. But yes, according to the rules as they currently stand, someone could come along and change it | | | |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting richierich: Quote:
my belief is that his films were credited on release as 'Alfred Hitchcock's etc etc'.
My argument differs to yours though as to whether we want to record them as such in the d/b.
Original poster below... Wow! Any chance you could make that image a bit smaller?  Back on topic...it doesn't matter what is written on the original poster. The rules tell us to, "Use the title from the film's credits." EDIT: Nevermind the first sentence...I see you already made it smaller. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting richierich: Quote:
my belief is that his films were credited on release as 'Alfred Hitchcock's etc etc'.
My argument differs to yours though as to whether we want to record them as such in the d/b.
Original poster below... What you're showing me is a marketing strategy, not actual film credits. Ironically, I think we agree but just have different paths to getting there. EDIT: doh! Late on the trigger again. | | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
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