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Madonna plans remake of Casablanca |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting tweeter: Quote: Quoting skipnet50:
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Yon mean like the ever popular "Plan 9 from Outer Space".
OK, that one is probably the exception to the rule. Surely even Madonna could make a better version. Better...not good. It's probably a closer fit to her acting abilities than Casablanca. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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| Registered: March 28, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,299 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting yvonne_: Quote:
And if it is so: then what's the point of even making it? That's basically my point. I don't see any reasons for even making a new version, unless someone comes up with something totally new. And I doubt Madonna is the person to come up with such an idea. Sorry, but I don't believe in her. Oh, I agree that this new version will most likely not surpass its predecessor. I just don't think it can do any harm, and as such I don't see the point in not making it. As the saying goes: no harm, no foul. KM | | | Tags, tags, bo bags, banana fana fo fags, mi my mo mags, TAGS! Dolly's not alone. You can also clone profiles. You've got questions? You've got answers? Take the DVD Profiler Wiki for a spin. |
| Registered: March 17, 2007 | Posts: 46 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Astrakan: Quote: Quoting yvonne_:
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And if it is so: then what's the point of even making it? That's basically my point. I don't see any reasons for even making a new version, unless someone comes up with something totally new. And I doubt Madonna is the person to come up with such an idea. Sorry, but I don't believe in her. Oh, I agree that this new version will most likely not surpass its predecessor. I just don't think it can do any harm, and as such I don't see the point in not making it. As the saying goes: no harm, no foul.
KM Well, I do, because it makes the story ridiculous. Don't you see? It humiliates everything good about the old version. I don't think you will ever understand my opinion and that's okay. But it does great harm. Maybe not to you, but to me, it does. It's like when I saw the new version of Pride & Prejudice. I got so angry while watching it, because it destroyed all my good memories I had with the older version from 1995. I regret that I ever saw the new version. | | | Teaching is an act of love | | | Last edited: by yvonne_ |
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Registered: July 17, 2007 | Posts: 40 |
| Posted: | | | | My main objection to the re-make of 'classic' films is exploitation of the title. I see this as nothing more than cheap exploitation of proven success by the producers of the new unproven product. If the story and the telling is good enough, it will stand on its own, but it should be called something else and not associated with an original. By way of example, Akira Kurosawa's 'Seven Samurai' (1954) was converted to John Sturges' western 'The Magificent Seven' (1960). When the latter film was released it's a fair bet that most people outside the art-house circuit had never heard of 'Seven Samurai' or Kurosawa, yet 'The Magificent Seven' was a success in its own right, mainly due to its showcasing some interesting new talent (Steve McQueen, James Coburn). It did not need to bask in any reflected glory, yet the story is the same. Conversely we can also enjoy 'Rashomon' (1951) without being distracted by the inferior U.S. 're-make' 'The Outrage' (1964). There are many other examples you can think of. Returning to 'Casablanca.' Films become classics for a variety of reasons, which are explained in detail in any good film studies text book ('Casablanca' is a case study in 'The Oxford Guide to Film Studies' for example). I think that having earned that status they should be left alone and not exploited by the excuse of the need to update the same to the tastes of a modern audience. ‘Casablanca’ is notable for the actor performances, amongst other things. Bogart and Bergman were an inspirational pairing. By all means go to Iraq, Madonna, with Leonard de whats-‘is-name or whoever and remake a similar story but please, please don’t call it ‘Casablanca’ or try to convince us that it is related in any way to the original, or that the acting talent should be regarded as comparable. |
| Registered: March 17, 2007 | Posts: 46 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting DanHughes: Quote: My main objection to the re-make of 'classic' films is exploitation of the title. I see this as nothing more than cheap exploitation of proven success by the producers of the new unproven product. If the story and the telling is good enough, it will stand on its own, but it should be called something else and not associated with an original.
By way of example, Akira Kurosawa's 'Seven Samurai' (1954) was converted to John Sturges' western 'The Magificent Seven' (1960). When the latter film was released it's a fair bet that most people outside the art-house circuit had never heard of 'Seven Samurai' or Kurosawa, yet 'The Magificent Seven' was a success in its own right, mainly due to its showcasing some interesting new talent (Steve McQueen, James Coburn). It did not need to bask in any reflected glory, yet the story is the same.
Conversely we can also enjoy 'Rashomon' (1951) without being distracted by the inferior U.S. 're-make' 'The Outrage' (1964). There are many other examples you can think of.
Returning to 'Casablanca.' Films become classics for a variety of reasons, which are explained in detail in any good film studies text book ('Casablanca' is a case study in 'The Oxford Guide to Film Studies' for example). I think that having earned that status they should be left alone and not exploited by the excuse of the need to update the same to the tastes of a modern audience. ‘Casablanca’ is notable for the actor performances, amongst other things. Bogart and Bergman were an inspirational pairing.
By all means go to Iraq, Madonna, with Leonard de whats-‘is-name or whoever and remake a similar story but please, please don’t call it ‘Casablanca’ or try to convince us that it is related in any way to the original, or that the acting talent should be regarded as comparable.
So true, so true. | | | Teaching is an act of love |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,667 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting tweeter: Quote: Siskel & Ebert wished that remakes could be made of average or mediocre films instead of classics. There are so many movies that could be improved by that next rewrite or rethinking.
There are a multitude of films of this ilk she could try that would provide better opportunities for her. I agree wholeheartedly with that. Don't remake the good one. Remake the ones that could have been good (based on good material) but where fumbled. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users. Gunnar |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,667 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Astrakan: Quote: Quoting GSyren:
Quote: A remake, IMHO, is based on the basically same screenplay as an earlier film. Well, this would automatically disqualify a huge number of remakes from being considered remakes... I don't think I can agree with this definition. If they're not remakes, what are they? I suppose the newfangled Hollywoodism "re-imagining" could apply, but that's just semantics in my opinion.
By that definition not even The Man Who Knew Too Much, one of the most classic examples of a remake, is actually a remake. The plot is very similar, but the script itself is quite different with many locations, characters and dialogue not matching between the two. The newer version is even 40+ minutes longer than the original. Yet Hitchcock considered it a remake. Ok, I'll concede that. Basically the same plot, then? I think that would still rule out Wizard of Oz. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users. Gunnar |
| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Posts: 31 |
| Posted: | | | | Astrakan; I was not posting a distain for remakes. Far from it I do enjoy the remakes as much as the originals. "Wizard of Oz" was a wonderful remake, I even enjoyed the updated version, "Tin Man". I also could only remember only a few remakes off hand. Basically, it depends on writing, actor, and who produces it. While I enjoy Madonna as a singer, and she did fairly well with "Evita", I just think she would be wrong for the roll. I am not concerned with her political views. I, personally think there are better choices for the part. Charilize Theron or Naomi Watts would be my first choice for the roll. Rick, I could see being played by Hugh Jackman. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 811 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote: (English) Madonna wants to remake Casablanca - and of all the places in all the world, she plans to set it in war-torn Iraq By CAROLINE GRAHAM - 29th March 2008 (Dutch) Madonna plant remake van Casablanca Madonna heeft de smaak van het regisseren te pakken, na haar debuut Filth and wisdom. Nu wil de queen of pop zich wagen aan een nieuwe versie van de romantische überklassieker Casablanca uit 1942. Just say NO |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,819 |
| Posted: | | | | While I agree with everyone that Casablanca should be left totally alone I think everyone is being a little harsh on Madonna.
I thought she was incredible in Evita - I'm a huge musical theatre fan and was initially very sceptical when I read she had been cast (I didn't think her acting OR singing would be up to the task)...however, upon seeing the film I was very impressed.
I also own a lot of her other films - in which, she ranges from appalling (Shanghai Surprise) to mildly entertaining (Who's That Girl).
So, my alternative opinion of Madonna stated I still think she should stay the hell away from Casablanca - not because of who SHE is; but simply because the film doesn't need remaking.
Out of interest does everyone have a favourite remake? And a most-hated remake?
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| Registered: April 7, 2007 | Posts: 228 |
| Posted: | | | | Some of my main reasons for disliking Madonna's remaking this film is that to my understanding the fact that this movie is a classic happened by accident as it was meant to be a B movie, another more personal reason is this was the movie that got me hooked on cinema. a further reason i think she is a creative musician and entertainer(but not really a particularly good singer) but so far her movies have been IMHO lacking... and i like bad movies! Hers just seem to have a missing something.... excepting ofc Evita.
Casablanca for me represents a period in our cultural and moviemaking history. And because are cultures have fundamentally change since then how is it gonna work?
I don't think remakes are bad per se (i mean I'm curious to see the remake of The Day The Earth stood still and I'd love to see a CGI Them! lol) but there can be time when it can make you wonder or gnash your teeth. and this is one of 'em
I personally think her politics are irrelevant.
BTW Dan and Yvonne i agree. | | | That's the thing about racism, though, most of it is covert.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,436 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote: Out of interest does everyone have a favourite remake? And a most-hated remake?
FAVE: The Thing
HATED: Halloween I'll agree on your favorite. But Ihope I won't agree on the hated one (as I own but still haven't watched it). I'll therefore say: Point of No Return (being the remake of Luc besson's Nikita). | | | Achim [諾亞信; Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan. Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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