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so you really think that derailing a thread makes your day feel better?

Aren't you glad we got this thread going again? .

Blah, blah, blah....

No...that's Blah, blah, blah, blah....

Get it right    

Sorry, I'm trying hard to rise myself to your level, but it is very difficult... 

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I would like to think I am pretty much a regular on here - I visit quite often, however I must admit that at the start of the discussions about the common name / as credited situation I avoided all discussions due to the level of bickering and general dis-intrest. I have just now decided that the water is calm enough to get in, i checked out the Name Variants plugin (excellent work good guy) and have quite a few variants I need to fix to clean up my database.

My first one was rather easy - i found a studio page listing name different then the credits, so i am getting many yes votes on that title- however many items there does not seem to be too much evidence one way or another, especially when excluding a very popular website that shall not be named to reduce flaming and bickering. there are no rules that i can find on the topic, and I did search the forums, i really didn't find anything definitive.

are most of you guys just linking up your own collections as you see fit and not contributing? Or am I missing something here?

any intelligent conversation without personal battle points is appreciated - thank you.

I thought I'd quote the original post because we seem to have gone off track slightly.

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I've been avoiding making any credited as contributions to the online database simply because Ken hasn't told us how to work out the common name yet. I think other people have been doing the same which is why I, at least, have seen very few "credited as" contributions.
I haven't been avoiding the field though - I've used it quite a few times where the actor's name has been misspelled for example, that kind of thing is easy to prove and doesn't require a "common name" judgement call.
I've also done some linking offline - Dee Wallace Stone is the best example as she was credited as Dee Wallace in the films before she got married. However I wouldn't like to make a decision as to which was her "common name" so have kept it local.

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I would like to think I am pretty much a regular on here - I visit quite often, however I must admit that at the start of the discussions about the common name / as credited situation I avoided all discussions due to the level of bickering and general dis-intrest. I have just now decided that the water is calm enough to get in, i checked out the Name Variants plugin (excellent work good guy) and have quite a few variants I need to fix to clean up my database.

My first one was rather easy - i found a studio page listing name different then the credits, so i am getting many yes votes on that title- however many items there does not seem to be too much evidence one way or another, especially when excluding a very popular website that shall not be named to reduce flaming and bickering. there are no rules that i can find on the topic, and I did search the forums, i really didn't find anything definitive.

are most of you guys just linking up your own collections as you see fit and not contributing? Or am I missing something here?

any intelligent conversation without personal battle points is appreciated - thank you.

I thought I'd quote the original post because we seem to have gone off track slightly.

To answer some of your questions,
I've been avoiding making any credited as contributions to the online database simply because Ken hasn't told us how to work out the common name yet. I think other people have been doing the same which is why I, at least, have seen very few "credited as" contributions.
I haven't been avoiding the field though - I've used it quite a few times where the actor's name has been misspelled for example, that kind of thing is easy to prove and doesn't require a "common name" judgement call.
I've also done some linking offline - Dee Wallace Stone is the best example as she was credited as Dee Wallace in the films before she got married. However I wouldn't like to make a decision as to which was her "common name" so have kept it local.

IMO, I'd say it would be Dee Wallace Stone considering she's had that name most of her adult life.

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I've received a no vote on one of my submissions for not using the "Credited as" field and just entering the names as they are in the credits.

Depends on the circumstances, I've recently voted no on a submission where a "credited as" link was being removed from a profile, but the submitter was happy to resubmit a corrected profile.
But if it's a new cast entry, then no, they shouldn't be voting no as the data is valid according to the rules.

Now have 2 No votes saying i should use the credited as feature. Didn't realise it had become compulsory.

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...  If I accept that to get the other fixes, I have to take the common name junk as well, which then can propogate through my system WITHOUT MY PERMISSION!  ...

John, you keep saying this, but it is just not true. 'common name'/'credited as' is per profile, it will not change the cast and/or crew of any other profile.

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If it doesn't normalize that piece of data so that a search finds ALL entries for that person, what good is it?

If I've got three movies with the same actor in each, but the name in the cast list is different for each one, and somebody submits a fourth movie which has a common name that is yet another variation of the name, how does that link up all four unless the common name is propogated?  On the other hand, if it doesn't, as you say, then what good is it if I have to manually adjust each one?  Either way, it creates extra work for me, and prevents me from contributing because I might step on somebody's precious common name.

Which is precisely why I won't even accept any but the MOST obvious choices. . Unfortunately we have some users who are not only attempting to apply a Common to B and C list people but EVEN to (uncredited)s.

It seems to be the first place one has to start on documenting a Common Name is via comparing screen caps to make suer YOU are talking about the SAME person and not father and son, or eeven somebody totally different. Only after that has been determined can we begin to try to figure out what the Common name is.

This is the procedure i have used in the few that i have done within a TV Series, where i have a Bill Jones and William Jones credited on separate episodes. I first make sure they are the same person.

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Unfortunately we have some users who are not only attempting to apply a Common to B and C list people but EVEN to (uncredited)s.

Huh? The software simply doesn't allow you to add a "common name" to an (uncredited) cast entry. If you insist on arguing based on paranoia, please make sure at least that your fabricated claims actually COULD happen.

I thought so at first, but then I realized what this could mean...

Obviously you cannot use Credited As directly for the uncredited cast. But when someone has Dee Wallace Stone as Common Name in the database, it would be understandable to change an uncredited Dee Wallace to Dee Wallace Stone as well That, I would agree, should be held off until we have further instructions from Ken...