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I was about to start the project on my own to find headshots for all the cast in my db, when I found this thread and the files here.
Great.

However, I don't totally agree with the rules about the pictures.
Some pictures in the db of actors, are either terrible in size and resolution, or you can't really tell who it is for other reasons, or it's just generally unflattering.
And about e.g. child stars, some are of adults when IMO they shouldn't be. Like with Carrie Henn. She only made Aliens and therefor the photo of her should be when she was that age, not an adult.
Some child star photos submitted, of now-adults, are just plainly irritating to find, in the db. It's like the persons who have submitted them are bragging about having found what they look like now! Even if they never did anything else or very little after their breakthrough.

I think the rule should be that the photo of the person should be as you MOST would recognize him/her as from most of the movies, etc, that person made. Like with a common name, there should be a common photo.

I mean, why not?? The rules aren't followed that strictly anyway, because some old actors who now look like "skeletons", because they are so old, have headshots of them in the db from when they were much younger and made more movies. (random example: Kirk Douglas)

Another example. I changed the photo of Kate Winslet because it looked like a photoshopped model session picture and even if I know very well what she looks like in movies and off screen without lots of make-up, I couldn't really tell it was her. She looked like "anyone" in that photo and Winslet is quite easy to recognize in general.

Ditch the rule about "the most recent photo 'if they have been active the last 40 years'" and implement something more clever. It really should be "use the photo from which you best can recognize the actor"!

I will definitely refine the db with better photos (as some are just ripped randomly from imdb as the first photo in a gallery) and also add lots of actors who are still missing.
But I won't follow the rules as they are stated now, but instead choose a representable photo as I see it and where most people could say "ah – it's him/her!", right away.

If you think I'm a rebel for this and think I should only refine my own db after my argumentation, I can say that I have randomly gone through my db for the submitted headshots, and lots of them do not follow the rules... So it shouldn't be a big deal to change it to my proposal; i.e. again, to use the most recognizable photo (and of course to have a good resolution).
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Ditch the rule about "the most recent photo 'if they have been active the last 40 years'" and implement something more clever. It really should be "use the photo from which you best can recognize the actor"!

The problem with this idea is that I may recognize an actor from their work in the 1960's, and you may recognize them only from their work in the 1990's.

My preference is to use a flattering photo from an actor's "peak years", but I still find the HSDB useful to help me identify obscure character actors.  There will never be a "one size fits all" solution for something as subjective as headshots.

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But I won't follow the rules as they are stated now, but instead choose a representable photo as I see it and where most people could say "ah – it's him/her!", right away.


There are not really "rules" for headshots. Dr. Killpatient, as he makes a huge job to build database, chose some rules he follows when he has to compare two photos. Those are his own choice, and I understand them, though I do not agree with all of them.

In fact each of us has his own preferences, some prefer just the head, other do not mind to have shoulders or even half the body. I think all shared databases are worth to consider, allowing every user to choose what he prefers.

For those that are interested, I remind that I update my own database quite each month. It is available using the link in my signature.
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I picked the rules I did so that the DB can have some resemblance of conformity and a loose standard that everyone can understand.  As stated above, there is no one-size-fits-all so I took the route of one-size-fits-most.

You are more than welcome to start up a parallel database with actors in their prime.  But you misread the age rule, I accept photos of when they were last active so a child actor who's now an adult but hasn't been in front of the camera since their childhood should have a photo of them as a child. But if people don't comment such with their updates, how am I to know that?  I see a photo of a child being compared to a photo of an adult, I pick the adult.

Note that DVDP allows for you to override any headshot for a movie and use your own.  You can have a young Harrison Ford for Raiders of the Lost Ark but a much older Harrison Ford in Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.

ETA: I'm going to update the HS contribution page so notes can optionally be submitted along with the contributions instead of the forums
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Note that I've relaxed a LOT in my comparisons of headshots.  I'm now far more inclined* to accept a contributed headshot as long as it fits the guidelines even if I personally think the existing one is a better headshot.

* As I am only human, the more energy I feel like putting into the comparison, the more likely I'll accept one.  At the start of the process = lots of energy.  At the end = not so much.
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Thanks for the replies.

In one way I am of course thankful for that people put so much effort in contributing headshots, but on the other hand I wish that people really tried a bit harder with some contributions. Or maybe I just have high standards.
Of course, for me, I choose for my favorite actresses (yup, I mostly focus here on the females ) the photo where they look the most attractive and everything else. So then I choose from my personal taste.
But still I want the photo to really look like the actor as I know him/her.

I can understand that there may be a problem for some actors who have been active for several decades. But still most of them look kind of the same then as later on and they also had some time where they were as the most talked about and in the spotlight.

Either way, there's a lot of work to be done. I haven't checked any database updates after having downloaded the ones on p1 here. Because it's 52 pages to go through. It'd be better with a page collecting all the updates.

By the way, does anyone know of a (free) software with which you can take screen shots from your movies and with the preserved quality, even if it's in HD? Sort of like blu-ray.com do. Also I need the software to be easy to use. Generally I use VLC to make snapshots. Haven't tried it for BR yet.
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With v6 coming out soon, it's best to wait for it as it includes almost all of the ones listed in this thread.
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Great.

I will just clarify one thing, when I was talking about putting more effort in contributions.
As some contributed images consists of like 36 pixels. Then IMO it's better to not contribute at all.
But, like you say, maybe if we wait until v6 all the bad ones will be gone?

I'm upgrading some photos too, albeit in a slow pace, because I have lots of other things to do.
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One tip to help with contributing headshots is to create a manual profile and add any cast & crew to it that you updated the headshots for.  Then to contribute, you back up your database and restore just the single profile into a new database.  Then back up that new database and contribute.

Others may have additional tips.
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As some contributed images consists of like 36 pixels. Then IMO it's better to not contribute at all.


Can't say that I agree with this. When somebody contributes a very small headshot, it probably means not much exist of this cast/crew member. It will also be mostly somebody rather unknown. Having a low quality image may help other contributors in recognizing this one in better quality images.
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As some contributed images consists of like 36 pixels. Then IMO it's better to not contribute at all.


Can't say that I agree with this. When somebody contributes a very small headshot, it probably means not much exist of this cast/crew member. It will also be mostly somebody rather unknown. Having a low quality image may help other contributors in recognizing this one in better quality images.

My thoughts exactly. My attitude towards headshots is the same as towards profile contributions: any improvement, no matter how small, is to prefer over no improvement at all. And adding an image where there were none previously is most definitely an improvement in my book.
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As some contributed images consists of like 36 pixels. Then IMO it's better to not contribute at all.


Can't say that I agree with this. When somebody contributes a very small headshot, it probably means not much exist of this cast/crew member. It will also be mostly somebody rather unknown. Having a low quality image may help other contributors in recognizing this one in better quality images.

My thoughts exactly. My attitude towards headshots is the same as towards profile contributions: any improvement, no matter how small, is to prefer over no improvement at all. And adding an image where there were none previously is most definitely an improvement in my book.


I agree as well. Especially for lesser known crew members (Editors, Sound Guys, Art Department...) it is very hard to find good headshots. 
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As some contributed images consists of like 36 pixels. Then IMO it's better to not contribute at all.


Can't say that I agree with this. When somebody contributes a very small headshot, it probably means not much exist of this cast/crew member. It will also be mostly somebody rather unknown. Having a low quality image may help other contributors in recognizing this one in better quality images.


I don't quite agree because I have found numerous examples of contributions where the photo has been terrible. Not just small ones, but with awful resolution close to none. And that of actors which I know have lots more photos of them. And more flattering ones too.

And also, some images of even well-known actors are not pitch perfect, because they aren't as flattering as they could be or they IMO don't look typically like the actor usually looks.
Maybe it's a matter of taste, but I found for example the picture of Natalie Portman yesterday which I felt the urge to exchange. Short hair (ugly hairdo) and not such a nice smile and bad resolution. But that is just one example...
When I find photos, I take my time to pick the really great ones. But also I sometimes have a hard time to decide if a photo is really good or if it's average. I spent about an hour for Natalie yesterday. Hmm.
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Well, that's what this thread is for. If you find a better headshot, replace it locally.

The third post on the first page contains the instructions on how to share your improvements with the community. 
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Just want to give a public "Well done and Thank You!" to the good Dr.

And I am looking forward to Version 6 (In which the pictures are not numbers, but free men(women)!)

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I don't quite agree because I have found numerous examples of contributions where the photo has been terrible.

Good for you. Maybe you can start sharing those.
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