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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,694 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting pauls42: Quote: Quoting skipnet50:
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As I said earlier I have never nor would I ever give voice to my opions on any other political system anywhere, especially as they approach an election, it is NOT my place, my business and I absolutely do not wish to be seen as attempting to interfere in the sovereign actions of another country, no matter how large or small and i do not appreciate such attempts on the parts of others, whether they be Americans interfering in others or others attempting to interfere here.
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you are free to criticize our Prime Minister any time you want. We all do.
One difference bewteen the UK and the USA that comes over is with interviews by the press of your President. In the UK, the press pushes and interrogates the prime minister, questioning his policies etc. (AKA giving him a hard time) Wheras in the 'admittedly limited' view we get of interviews of the US president in America it seems that there is far more gentle questioning and it's more of a talk by the President to which the Press are invited to just listen. You have a VERY distorted view of the US press. A recent poll (last election) showed that 95% of reporters are liberals. They have a vested interest in liberals winning elections, and they report favorably on liberal candidates by at least a 2 to 1 margin. They almost never ask a liberal candidate the really tough questions, but almost always ask the conservatives questions that tend to make them look bad by comparison. As far as criticizing your PM, I don't do that because it isn't my place unless he is doing something that directly effects the US (as in interferes with), and because I don't follow your politics enough to ask intelligent questions or make cogent comments. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964 Make America Great Again! | | | Last edited: by Rifter |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,029 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote: You have a VERY distorted view of the US press. A recent poll (last election) showed that 95% of reporters are liberals. Hey, aren't reporters those that deal with information professionally? So if only 5% of the really informed people are non-liberals - maybe that says something. Sorry, couldn't resist. I promise, I will stay out of further discussion. | | | Matthias | | | Last edited: by goodguy |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting goodguy: Quote:
Hey, aren't reporters those that deal with information professionally? Quite simply....NO. | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Posts: 374 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote: This is nothing but Democrat boilerplate BS. Its all lies and innuendo. Rifter, I feel sad for you. To me it looks like your world is divided into good (your right wing POV) and bad (liberals, left-wings, communists). I have not seen a single post from you where you were able to differentiate. It's always white or black. You act very defensivly and see a conspiracy everywhere. I could write a lot more but I don't know you so I don't want to do you wrong. | | | Last edited: by sugarjoe |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,692 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
You have a VERY distorted view of the US press. A recent poll (last election) showed that 95% of reporters are liberals. They have a vested interest in liberals winning elections, and they report favorably on liberal candidates by at least a 2 to 1 margin. They almost never ask a liberal candidate the really tough questions, but almost always ask the conservatives questions that tend to make them look bad by comparison.
As far as criticizing your PM, I don't do that because it isn't my place unless he is doing something that directly effects the US (as in interferes with), and because I don't follow your politics enough to ask intelligent questions or make cogent comments. I was talking about when the Press interview the President - not when they interview other candidates - we rarely see that on UK TV And as for only criticising the PM unless he is oing something that affects the US.. that is the exact reasone why non Americans question the President's actions - because his actions affects the rest of the world. | | | Paul | | | Last edited: by pauls42 |
| Registered: June 3, 2007 | Posts: 333 |
| Posted: | | | | I frankly don't understand those people on either side who break the world into "Democrats vs. Repulicans" or "Right vs. Left" or "Liberals vs. Conservative".
It's particularly depressing when someone feels the need to diminish, demean or vilify someone whose philosophy is different than their own. There are good people in both camps. And a great deal of folks who don't identify with either side.
And sadly, anyone who buys into this US vs THEM philosophy is robbing themselves of the ability to look at the situation objectively IMO. Neither side has a lock on truth and right. People owe it to themselves to actually research and make up their own minds about issues.
Unfortunately in the internet age a lot of people seem to seek out a source that echos their beliefs and them simply repeat the talking points without bothering to dig any deeper.
This isn't aimed at anyone in particular, it's just a general observation on how polerized and shallow the national debate has become in recent years IMO. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Snark: Quote: I frankly don't understand those people on either side who break the world into "Democrats vs. Repulicans" or "Right vs. Left" or "Liberals vs. Conservative".
It's particularly depressing when someone feels the need to diminish, demean or vilify someone whose philosophy is different than their own. There are good people in both camps. And a great deal of folks who don't identify with either side.
And sadly, anyone who buys into this US vs THEM philosophy is robbing themselves of the ability to look at the situation objectively IMO. Neither side has a lock on truth and right. People owe it to themselves to actually research and make up their own minds about issues.
Unfortunately in the internet age a lot of people seem to seek out a source that echos their beliefs and them simply repeat the talking points without bothering to dig any deeper.
This isn't aimed at anyone in particular, it's just a general observation on how polerized and shallow the national debate has become in recent years IMO. I agree with this, and even more unfortunate is that it is further promoted by the 535 members of the U.S. Congress! | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,694 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Snark: Quote: I frankly don't understand those people on either side who break the world into "Democrats vs. Repulicans" or "Right vs. Left" or "Liberals vs. Conservative".
It's particularly depressing when someone feels the need to diminish, demean or vilify someone whose philosophy is different than their own. There are good people in both camps. And a great deal of folks who don't identify with either side.
And sadly, anyone who buys into this US vs THEM philosophy is robbing themselves of the ability to look at the situation objectively IMO. Neither side has a lock on truth and right. People owe it to themselves to actually research and make up their own minds about issues.
Unfortunately in the internet age a lot of people seem to seek out a source that echos their beliefs and them simply repeat the talking points without bothering to dig any deeper.
This isn't aimed at anyone in particular, it's just a general observation on how polerized and shallow the national debate has become in recent years IMO. Then you don't understand the history of this country, in my opinion. It was founded by a group of gentlemen who were very conservative politically, and economically. They believed in god, in laissez faire economics, individual rights and a strong military. There is plenty of documentation about the dissension among those worthies in designing our government, and the debates were nasty and vigorous in the press and in the local pubs and meeting houses. Then, history also tells us about how governments that were socialist/communist/left-wing have fared over time. Without exception, those examples have resulted in the suffering and/or deaths of millions of people, either because of unworkable economics, tyranny, military juntas, social instability, etc. Even the few that somehow managed to avoid most of the really bad stuff, still do not have the same level of individual rights that we enjoy. The bottom line is that collectivist regimes simply don't work -- they are not self-sustaining either politically or economically. Capitalism works because it fosters competition among people in business and manufacturing, and because conservative government tends to let it work without too much interference. Those founders created the environment that let the American citizen, either native born or immigrant, strive to become the best he could be, to create something that benefitted everybody overall. That is why I believe the way I do politically, and why I think Obama and other ultra-liberal types are a disaster for this country, and ultimately for the rest of the world. I have no doubt there are a lot of people who don't feel comfortable standing up for their rights without having a nanny state government standing behind them telling them every move to make, but that is their problem, not mine. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964 Make America Great Again! |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,380 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote: Then, history also tells us about how governments that were socialist/communist/left-wing have fared over time. Without exception, those examples have resulted in the suffering and/or deaths of millions of people, either because of unworkable economics, tyranny, military juntas, social instability, etc. Even the few that somehow managed to avoid most of the really bad stuff, still do not have the same level of individual rights that we enjoy. The bottom line is that collectivist regimes simply don't work -- they are not self-sustaining either politically or economically. Could you give me any source that states that? In the mean while ill give you a link that ranks USA the 8th on economic and personal freedoms. Right after Estonia, Ireland, Canada, Switzerland, Iceland, Bahamas and the United Kingdom. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_World_Liberty_Index | | | Last edited: by whispering |
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