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Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,851 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting samuelrichardscott: Quote: I don't find the fact you're not interested offensive but the fact that you judge people on liking movies you haven't actually seen. If people tell me they are entertained by depictions of torture and graphic violence then I can infer something about that, without partaking myself. If you're offended about that then there's no need, I'm not about to come steal your DVD collection. --------------- |
| Registered: September 18, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,650 |
| Posted: | | | | What can you infer? I get enjoyment from escaping reality? I get enjoyment from being scared?
(btw, just because I watch and enjoy these films does not mean I don't watch and enjoy serious films)
Let me ask you... are you entertained by Westerns? | | | Last edited: by samuelrichardscott |
| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
After all, I don't imagine that there are very many people in the entire world who are conversant enough in all of those languages to be able to do a very adequate job of it, and I can't imagine reading subtitles for thousands of foreign films would be anyone's first choice. In my collection, I have 80 % of my movies which are not French, with some from Russia, Denmark, Netherlands, Korea, Mexico, not speaking of other bigger countries for movies. I have no problem to see them, with or without dubbing, and can rate as easily "Män Som Hatar Kvinnor" than "Wo hu cang long" or "True Grit". The problem I have with that list is not that it has not movies from all countries (there are probably many excellent movies I never saw...), but that there are strictly none outside English language. | | | Images from movies | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,851 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting samuelrichardscott: Quote: Let me ask you... are you entertained by Westerns? I've enjoyed a few, but as a genre I'm not a big fan. --------------- |
| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,851 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote: The problem with the list is not that it has not movies from all countries (there are probably many excellent movies I never saw...), but that there are strictly none outside English language. Why is that a "problem"? I don't have any non-English language DVDs. That's not a "problem". --------------- |
| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
Why is that a "problem"? I don't have any non-English language DVDs. That's not a "problem".
Exact. This is not a problem by itself. It is just a problem for me to use a list that is intended to rate thousands of movies and ignore so many great movies. BTW, I would be so sad to be limited to French movies, though I love many of them. But my top three are from US, Netherland and Denmark. | | | Images from movies | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote: Quoting hal9g:
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After all, I don't imagine that there are very many people in the entire world who are conversant enough in all of those languages to be able to do a very adequate job of it, and I can't imagine reading subtitles for thousands of foreign films would be anyone's first choice.
In my collection, I have 80 % of my movies which are not French, with some from Russia, Denmark, Netherlands, Korea, Mexico, not speaking of other bigger countries for movies. I have no problem to see them, with or without dubbing, and can rate as easily "Män Som Hatar Kvinnor" than "Wo hu cang long" or "True Grit". The problem I have with that list is not that it has not movies from all countries (there are probably many excellent movies I never saw...), but that there are strictly none outside English language. Well, like I said, feel free to do your own rating of 10,000 films from around the world, rather than criticizing someone who has actually done the work, according to the criteria he selected. I'm sure if he had known that you would object to his parameters, he would have changed them. | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote: Quoting hal9g:
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After all, I don't imagine that there are very many people in the entire world who are conversant enough in all of those languages to be able to do a very adequate job of it, and I can't imagine reading subtitles for thousands of foreign films would be anyone's first choice.
In my collection, I have 80 % of my movies which are not French, with some from Russia, Denmark, Netherlands, Korea, Mexico, not speaking of other bigger countries for movies. I have no problem to see them, with or without dubbing, and can rate as easily "Män Som Hatar Kvinnor" than "Wo hu cang long" or "True Grit". The problem I have with that list is not that it has not movies from all countries (there are probably many excellent movies I never saw...), but that there are strictly none outside English language. Awwww, poor baby, always looking to be offended and insulted. Yves, did you bother to read the letter on his website, he explains why chose to keep it to English Language films. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Quoting surfeur51:
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After all, I don't imagine that there are very many people in the entire world who are conversant enough in all of those languages to be able to do a very adequate job of it, and I can't imagine reading subtitles for thousands of foreign films would be anyone's first choice.
In my collection, I have 80 % of my movies which are not French, with some from Russia, Denmark, Netherlands, Korea, Mexico, not speaking of other bigger countries for movies. I have no problem to see them, with or without dubbing, and can rate as easily "Män Som Hatar Kvinnor" than "Wo hu cang long" or "True Grit". The problem I have with that list is not that it has not movies from all countries (there are probably many excellent movies I never saw...), but that there are strictly none outside English language.
Well, like I said, feel free to do your own rating of 10,000 films from araound the world, rather than criticizing someone who has actually done the work, according to the criteria he selected. I'm sure if he had known that you would object to his parameters, he would have changed them. ROFL Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: September 18, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,650 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote: Quoting samuelrichardscott:
Quote: Let me ask you... are you entertained by Westerns? I've enjoyed a few, but as a genre I'm not a big fan.
--------------- So I can infer that you enjoy watching people shoot each other? Is that not the same? IMO, it's just close-mindedness. Just because people enjoy certain types of films doesn't mean they enjoy that sort of crap in real life. Take I Spit on Your Grave for example. I really like this film yet it has an incredibly difficult scene (rape) to watch. The violent revenge IS entertaining but the film plays with your emotions. Or The Woodsman... a phenomenal (non-violent really) film where you actually start to feel sorry for a paedophile (wonderfully played by Kevin Bacon). Does it mean I think these actions are OK? Hell no, but I'll admit to finding them entertaining to watch as they unfold (though difficult to watch at the same time). | | | Last edited: by samuelrichardscott |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Yves:
"They may be from any country, as long as the primary language for the targeted audience – is English. In the early stage of this compilation, I considered a multi-language list, but realized the scope was more than I could handle. Cultures have different standards for evaluating and examining art, and different perceptual guidelines, too. I found all I could navigate were the usually discernible differences that exist among films made for my own personal language. Scottish, Irish, Welsh, Australian, New Zealand and South Africa, to name the most common, are as many inflections of the English language that I can take on here. Not to mention a Bronx, Brooklyn, Texas, Southern or Minnesotan Dialect. It is primarily through language that we human beings communicate. It’s no simple task to understand the full thrust or the fine nuances of what we hear others saying, EVEN if in our own language. Clearly, it’s preposterous to assume we perfectly understand translated communications. I knew it would be impossible for me to evaluate films made in a language other than English. I leave that project for others."
I am certain he would be thrilled to a see a comparable list from you given your extensive knowledge of foreign films.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
I'm sure if he had known that you would object to his parameters, he would have changed them. Of course not. This guy does what he wants, as he wants. I just think he missed some real gems that are much more interesting to watch that some of those he chose, and just say that his list has no value for me, which is just a personal opinion. I generally look at this kind of list to find those "gems" I never saw, and this "project" will do nothing for me. | | | Images from movies | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote: Quoting hal9g:
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I'm sure if he had known that you would object to his parameters, he would have changed them.
Of course not. This guy does what he wants, as he wants. I just think he missed some real gems that are much more interesting to watch that some of those he chose, and just say that his list has no value for me, which is just a personal opinion. I generally look at this kind of list to find those "gems" I never saw, and this "project" will do nothing for me. And all I'm saying is that you should give the guy the respect he deserves for taking on the project that he did. It is unfortunate that you can only view this from your own personal perspective. | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
And all I'm saying is that you should give the guy the respect he deserves for taking on the project that he did. The problem is not respect. This guy has a personal project, as many of us, and spends his time with his hobby, as many of us. That needs no more or no less respect than anything else. Here, we are on a forum discussing movies, and I give my opinion as I'm not entitled to give the other users' ones. I can understand that my opinion has no value for you, and you can avoid to read my posts or even block me. I also can please you saying "What a marvellous list, beautiful, with a great introduction giving excellent reasons to leave out some of the best movies in the world". This would be just hypocrisy from my part. | | | Images from movies |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | You obviously do not understand my point, so it's time to drop it. | | | Hal |
| Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,656 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote: Quoting Alien Redrum:
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Quote: Who do you know that reads the Bible for entertainment?
Plenty of people. I have a friend, who's Jewish, who just recently started reading the Bible. He's not looking to convert, he's just reading it for no other reason that he's never read it and it's got some good stories in the mix. Technically speaking, I guess "one" could be considered "plenty". I do know plenty of people who have read the bible for nothing more than to read it, but the one I mentioned is what's known as an "example". I didn't think it was necessary to give you an extended list, champ. Quote: No. I've read synopses of some (and similar films) and have concluded that I'm not interested, but I don't see any need for you to get offended that I don't share your fascination with the macabre.
--------------- It's assumptions like yours that people like the West Memphis Three are in prison. Tell me, do you believe that people who dress in all black and listen to heavy metal worship satan, too? I'm not offended that you don't share my "fascination with the macabre" ( ). I honestly could not care less on what people's movie preferences are. It's idiotic blanket statements that I find annoying, and a statement insinuating that there is something wrong morally with people who enjoy the horror genre (among other genres) is about as ignorant as you can get. But keep fighting the good fight. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
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