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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
Don't be discommodious
Registered: March 13, 2007
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I have a thick skin, Cliff, but the constant bashing that I receive HAS had an impact and significantly thinned it, I admit to that readily. But that does not change me in the slightest, it does make mea bit more sensitive than I am normally. I seem to be the man on the bottom of the Rugby Scrum, and i am sure you know what happens in any good Scrum.

I am not interested in examining my own behavior, at least until such time as I start seeing more adult and intelligent behavior generally. I am also quite amused at those who so easily sit in judgement of another,and it all usually revolves around I want you to behave the way I deem appropriate.

Skip
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video
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Registered: March 14, 2007
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In Europe, particularly in Germany, for many years it has been against the law to even utter the word 'nazi' regardless of context. 


I never heard something that ridiculous. Please sjhow me that law you seem to remember....

It is this kind of uneducated guesswork and repetition of uninformed hearsay I referred to earlier when addressing your knowledge about the Third Reich and it's organisations and actions....
Lutz
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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There is a difference between being offended by a certain term when it is applied in a personal manner, and stifling of a discussion because someone uses a word or term that might make them uncomfortable.


You are correct, there is a difference.  This is the former, not the latter.

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Here in the US, for example, very often if someone tries to have a discussion on racial issues, unless the discussion is started by a black the speaker gets attacked as a racist, as if only blacks can understand racism.  That is absolutely wrong, and we should not tolerate that sort of politically correct censorship.  Ultimately, it suppresses the free exchange of ideas - some of which might be offensive - and that is never good.  In Europe, particularly in Germany, for many years it has been against the law to even utter the word 'nazi' regardless of context.  I don't know if that is still the law, but hiding from it like that does nobody any good.  In fact, I've heard that such suppression has actually helped the growth of neo-nazi skinhead groups in many parts of Germany because suppression leads to ignorance of the facts about nazism.  It has become the forbidden fruit and thus glamorized among young people who don't know the history of it.

Censorship of any kind is abhorrent to me.  You may or may not agree with the terminology I used, but allowing it to be taken out of context and misunderstood is wrong.  Imbuing words with human-like characteristics, such as evil, is the sign of someone who has let paranoia take over their thinking.


Oh please.  You were not trying to have a discussion about anything.  You took offense to a comment and responded with and insult.  While all of this sounds reasonable, it is just a further attempt to justify your actions.  I may have been born during the day, but I wasn't born yesterday.

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I was referring to a certain type of behavior, not any particular individual.  Of course, the way some people reacted, you'd never know that.


I am sorry, but no.  This is a cop out.  surfeur51 called you "Skip's devoted soldier" and you responded by refering to him as "the Forum Post Gestapo."  It was, indeed, aimed at a specific user and it was intended as an insult.  No amount of rationalization on your part is going to change what is painfully obvious to anybody with half a brain.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
Don't be discommodious
Registered: March 13, 2007
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And surfeur's comment was also insulting to, John. Right, wrong or indifferent he responded in kind.. Why don't YOU stop attempting to be so judgemental and parse every word somebody says. I would say they were both wrong, frankly, but John simply responded to what he viewed as an insulting comment.

Skip
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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And surfeur's comment was also insulting to, John. Right, wrong or indifferent he responded in kind.. Why don't YOU stop attempting to be so judgemental and parse every word somebody says. I would say they were both wrong, frankly, but John simply responded to what he viewed as an insulting comment.

Skip


Maybe you should take a bit of your own advice.  I never said surfeur's comment was 'o.k.'  But John's was worse...culturally speaking.  If 'someone of color' insults me, am I justified in using a racial epithet?  If a German Jew, or any Jew for that matter, insults me am I justified in calling him a Nazi?  If a gay man insults me, am I justified in calling him a...well you get the idea.

Yes, John was insulted.  Was it justified?  No, but neither was his response and no amount of rationalizing will change that.  I know you think it does because that is the game you play.  Any action is deemed justified as long as you say, "well he started it."  I am sorry, but that is just sad. 
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
Don't be discommodious
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Give me a break, Unicus. you are self righteous and self serving and sometimes more than a little pompous. Look at the garbage going on in Jena, LA right now. There are those that are attempting to justify the beating of this boy because of an incident tha had transpired 3 months before. And even in this post you are being judgemental, how? Because you are trying define John's response as worse, they were both wrong, which one is worse is not my job or yours to try and sit in judgement of. It is simple: Two wrongs don't make a right. Sometimes, my friend...I wonder.

Just who the hell are you to speak for John and say that his being insulted was not justified. You lack that ability.

Skip    
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Outta here

Billy Video
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKathy
Registered: May 29, 2007
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If my bad joke went over anyone's head, the Hell's Angels are the original 1% motorcycle club. 

hmmm this may make sound stupid... (well stupidER)    but 1% of what? 


In the 1960’s The American Motorcycle Association stated that 99% of people who attended motorcycle events were typical family oriented individuals. The other 1% was non mainstream type people who were hard riding and liked to party. Some of the early bikers embraced this term calling themselves 1%ers. Hells Angels (no apostrophe – my mistake) claims to be the original 1%ers. Often these individuals will wear a  1% patch on their motorcycle jacket.
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@Skip
If you think it's ok to call someone a "Forum Gestapo", just because they called you a "devoted soldier" then I really think you need some lessons in social interaction.
Yes, surfeur's comment was intended to be insulting, and John had every right to take offence, but surfeur's comment was non-specific, with no cultural baggage attached. For all you know surfeur may have lost family at the hands of the Gestapo - how do you think it would have made him feel to be called that?
What makes it worse is that John has been told how insensitive his comment was in comparison and he has still refused to take it back and even tries to rationalise it - this just compounds the problem.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
Don't be discommodious
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North:

Did I say that? I don't think so. I said both of them were wrong, but that John simply reponded to what he viewed as an insult, it is not MY place, yours , Unicus' or anyone else's place to determine whether John's complaint was valid, that is his view and he has a right to it. Both surfeur and John misbehaved, I will not react to either one independently of the other, no will i say one was worse than the other.

You are also applying standards either cultural or personal to John, I will not comment on whether I think he or surfeur should apologize, that is their business. I refuse to apply my standards to you or anyone else, such expectations only l;ead to disappointment. I suggest that instead of muddying the waters further, we all step back and let surfeur and John deal with it in whatever way they deem apprpos.

North make no mistake, should you ever come under attack and i see it, I will defend you just as I am defending John, and to some degree even surfeur.

Skip
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here

Billy Video
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Sita Sings the Blues
Registered: March 14, 2007
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There is actually no need to get this script going for FireFox as it can be imported as a HTML Window in DVD Profiler

While this is possible, I don't see any value in making this a DVD Profiler window.

And I'm still curious why it doesn't work in Firefox. No one out there who can shed a light on it?
As I said before, the XMLHTTP object and the form onsubmit handling seem the most likely problem candidates to me.
Matthias
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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In Europe, particularly in Germany, for many years it has been against the law to even utter the word 'nazi' regardless of context.  I don't know if that is still the law...

Well, if this is your level of knowledge about Europe and Nazism I think we can pardon your ridiculous use of the word 'Gestapo'.

cya, Mithi
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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Give me a break, Unicus. you are self righteous and self serving and sometimes more than a little pompous. Look at the garbage going on in Jena, LA right now. There are those that are attempting to justify the beating of this boy because of an incident tha had transpired 3 months before. And even in this post you are being judgemental, how? Because you are trying define John's response as worse, they were both wrong, which one is worse is not my job or yours to try and sit in judgement of. It is simple: Two wrongs don't make a right. Sometimes, my friend...I wonder.


That was my point.  surfeur slapped John so John hit surfeur with a club.  Fortunately, the rest of us jumped in and it didn't escalate beyond that.  And, no, it isn't my 'job'...then again it isn't your job to tell me what is an isn't my job.  Seems like a bit of the pot and kettle there.  As for the rest...exagerate much? 

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Just who the hell are you to speak for John and say that his being insulted was not justified. You lack that ability.

Skip    


Reading comprehension is VERY important.  I never pretended to speak for John nor did I say whether or not him being insulted was justified.  As a matter of fact, it is John that is telling people they should not feel insulted.  But I don't expect that you noticed that little fact. 
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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North make no mistake, should you ever come under attack and i see it, I will defend you just as I am defending John, and to some degree even surfeur.

Skip


How come you can claim this 'job' but I can't?  All I am doing is defending the people that were offended by John's comment.  You may not like it, but it is exactly what you claim you would do. 
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorCaroline
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Registered: March 14, 2007
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I am not interested in examining my own behavior, at least until such time as I start seeing more adult and intelligent behavior generally. I am also quite amused at those who so easily sit in judgement of another,and it all usually revolves around I want you to behave the way I deem appropriate.

You know, this is the attitude that seems to be causing the problems of bullying around here. Skip is, in this post, saying in as many words that he is not going to change until others do so, but others are unlikely to change unless you start by setting the example.
Each one of us should do the same and that should go a long way towards stopping the bullying around here.
I generally take most of what I read in the forums as a huge joke but some of it is way below the belt and name calling doesn't get you anywhere! (Now I sound just like my mother!   )

Still, and I am not picking on you Skip - I am just using your post (I have seen others just like it!!!   ), if we ALL make the effort to be less confrontational we would have a much nicer forum!
<---------Mithrandir, Laverne and Shirley
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In Europe, particularly in Germany, for many years it has been against the law to even utter the word 'nazi' regardless of context. 


I never heard something that ridiculous. Please sjhow me that law you seem to remember....

It is this kind of uneducated guesswork and repetition of uninformed hearsay I referred to earlier when addressing your knowledge about the Third Reich and it's organisations and actions....


If there is any nation that has tried really hard to deal with its blood-stained history, it is Germany ("bewältigen" is the word, I think). Even a superficial comparison of what the Germans are teaching their children about WW2 with e.g. what the Japanese are teaching theirs will demonstrate this.
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Quoting Rifter:
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There is a difference between being offended by a certain term when it is applied in a personal manner, and stifling of a discussion because someone uses a word or term that might make them uncomfortable.


You are correct, there is a difference.  This is the former, not the latter.

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Here in the US, for example, very often if someone tries to have a discussion on racial issues, unless the discussion is started by a black the speaker gets attacked as a racist, as if only blacks can understand racism.  That is absolutely wrong, and we should not tolerate that sort of politically correct censorship.  Ultimately, it suppresses the free exchange of ideas - some of which might be offensive - and that is never good.  In Europe, particularly in Germany, for many years it has been against the law to even utter the word 'nazi' regardless of context.  I don't know if that is still the law, but hiding from it like that does nobody any good.  In fact, I've heard that such suppression has actually helped the growth of neo-nazi skinhead groups in many parts of Germany because suppression leads to ignorance of the facts about nazism.  It has become the forbidden fruit and thus glamorized among young people who don't know the history of it.

Censorship of any kind is abhorrent to me.  You may or may not agree with the terminology I used, but allowing it to be taken out of context and misunderstood is wrong.  Imbuing words with human-like characteristics, such as evil, is the sign of someone who has let paranoia take over their thinking.


Oh please.  You were not trying to have a discussion about anything.  You took offense to a comment and responded with and insult.  While all of this sounds reasonable, it is just a further attempt to justify your actions.  I may have been born during the day, but I wasn't born yesterday.

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I was referring to a certain type of behavior, not any particular individual.  Of course, the way some people reacted, you'd never know that.


I am sorry, but no.  This is a cop out.  surfeur51 called you "Skip's devoted soldier" and you responded by refering to him as "the Forum Post Gestapo."  It was, indeed, aimed at a specific user and it was intended as an insult.  No amount of rationalization on your part is going to change what is painfully obvious to anybody with half a brain.


Actually, you are wrong.  It wasn't aimed just at Surfeur.  It was aimed at a group of people who, in their self-righteous indignation that anybody would dare to oppose their views, are trying to stifle one or two others through the use of intimidation and political correctness.  THAT is why I used the term I did, because that is exactly the sort of tactics that the state police used.  Maybe that's too damn subtle for some of you.  In any case, don't sit there and try to tell me what I meant because you aren't me.  Surfeur can complain all he wants to about being attacked, but all he's done since the day he got here is whine about how the rules don't accommodate his preferences.  And, when he got called on that, he started attacking people himself.  A bunch of people responded in kind.
John

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