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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Daddy DVD: Quote: Mr. McCain has said that military options on Iran must be kept open. So I don't see much difference between him and Mr. Obama in that respect. These kinds of things make me go 'hmmm'. Obama has stated that 'war' is an option. McCain has stated that 'war' is an option. Why is it that McCain is the only one being labeled a 'War Monger'? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| | Dan W | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 980 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote: Quoting Daddy DVD:
Quote: Mr. McCain has said that military options on Iran must be kept open. So I don't see much difference between him and Mr. Obama in that respect.
These kinds of things make me go 'hmmm'. Obama has stated that 'war' is an option. McCain has stated that 'war' is an option. Why is it that McCain is the only one being labeled a 'War Monger'? I think it is that people are mistaking an evacuation plan from Iraq as meaning the troops will come home. Listen to his words, Obama plans to redeploy the troops into Afghanistan and then Pakistan. | | | Dan |
| Registered: April 8, 2007 | Posts: 1,057 |
| Posted: | | | | Hi Guys, The 3 I'd like to see questioned by Hannity are: Paul Eaton - See bio HereScott Gration - See bio HereMerrill McPeak - See bio HereEaton - Seems to be associated with 'votevets.org*' They seem to take an opposing view, from the posters in this thread. Is this org considered honest or believable, despite the contrary views?No argument here just would like to know your thoughts! McPeaks - 'McPeaks Response' Is interesting. I'm not sure where this going, or whether or not any fruit will be born (or which kind), just the beginning. KDH1949 - Only look at the links if you desire to. I'm definitely not demanding it! Next search for public statements by them! Take Care Rico *Today is the first I've ever heard of this org | | | If I felt any better I'd be sick! Envy is mental theft. If you covet another mans possessions, then you should be willing to take on his responsibilities, heartaches, and troubles, along with his money. D. Koontz |
| Registered: April 8, 2007 | Posts: 1,057 |
| Posted: | | | | Hi Guys, Interesting link to 'Newsweek' found at OpEdnews.c o m. See Senator HotheadShows both temper & admirable qualities for McCain. KDH1949 - Read this ONLY if you desire. Buy no means is this a demand, to read by me. Take Care Rico | | | If I felt any better I'd be sick! Envy is mental theft. If you covet another mans possessions, then you should be willing to take on his responsibilities, heartaches, and troubles, along with his money. D. Koontz |
| | Dan W | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 980 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Rico: Quote: Hi Guys,
Interesting link to 'Newsweek' found at OpEdnews.c o m. See Senator Hothead
Shows both temper & admirable qualities for McCain.
KDH1949 - Read this ONLY if you desire. Buy no means is this a demand, to read by me.
Take Care Rico You realize that article is 8 years old don't you? | | | Dan |
| Registered: April 8, 2007 | Posts: 1,057 |
| Posted: | | | | Hi Dan,
Yes it's 8 yrs old, I don't (I could be wrong) believe anger issues improve on there own.
Are you familiar with, or have insight on opednews & votevets, I don't have a compass & am curious these groups are on the map.
Take Care Rico | | | If I felt any better I'd be sick! Envy is mental theft. If you covet another mans possessions, then you should be willing to take on his responsibilities, heartaches, and troubles, along with his money. D. Koontz |
| | Dan W | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 980 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Rico: Quote: Hi Dan,
Yes it's 8 yrs old, I don't (I could be wrong) believe anger issues improve on there own.
Are you familiar with, or have insight on opednews & votevets, I don't have a compass & am curious these groups are on the map.
Take Care Rico Do you mean other than the fact that both of them are extreme left in their views and support? | | | Dan |
| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Posts: 262 |
| Posted: | | | | Gration on wikipedia:Quote: In 2006, he travelled to Africa on a five-nation, fifteen-day, fact-finding tour, accompanying Senator Barack Obama as an "African expert".[1] He later endorsed Obama's presidential campaign, citing that Obama had the "judgment, wisdom, courage, experience, and leadership capability that we desperately need".[2] Wikipedia on McPeak:Quote: He has publicly campaigned for Obama, and alongside Richard Danzig and General Merrill McPeak, he is one of his senior military and foreign-policy advisors[/u].
McPeak also generated controversy following comments he made at a Barack Obama campaign appearance in Medford, Oregon where he implied that former President Bill Clinton had appeared to question Obama's patriotism:
As one who for 37 years proudly wore the uniform of our country, I'm saddened to see a president employ these tactics, he of all people should know better because he was the target of exactly the same kind of tactics.[9]
McPeak also compared the former President's comments to actions by Senator Joe McCarthy "I grew up, I was going to college when Joe McCarthy was accusing good Americans of being traitors, so I've had enough of it." [10] Wikipedia on Gration:Quote: After retiring from the Army in 2006 Eaton was a frequent guest on various media outlets, where he often criticized the Bush administration's prosecution of the Iraq War. In 2007, Eaton appeared in a political ad for VoteVets.org, similar to the ones prepared by John Batiste. [2] Eaton asserted that President Bush did not heed the advice given by his military commanders.[citation needed]Eaton appeared on Bill Maher's talkshow and spoke out strongly against those who launched the Iraq war. In 2008 Eaton served as an advisor to Senator Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign. Following Clinton's concession of the Democratic primary, Eaton has made several appearances in support of Senator Barack Obama's presidential campaign. Is it unreasonable to see these 3 guys as Democratic partisans? Why shouldn't the 100 generals and admirals who support McCain be questioned as well? I don't know exactly what Rico believes they have "claimed" or what "accusations" they have made that they should be asked about. My understanding is that the 3 generals/admirals cited by Rico and mentioned in the Olberman video have simply said that McCain does not have the right temperment to be CIC -- whereas 100 of their colleagues disagree. They have expressed an opinion - I guess we could ask them the basis for that opinion? Brian | | | Last edited: by bbursiek |
| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Posts: 262 |
| Posted: | | | | VoteVets.org on wikipedia: Quote: The stated goal of the PAC is to put in Congress Afghanistan or Iraq war veterans who are critical of the execution of the war in Iraq. Quote: Senators targeted by the VoteVets' campaign for their support of the Iraq War include: George Allen, Rick Santorum, Conrad Burns, and Jim Talent.[4] Note: All of the targeted Senators were Republicans despite the fact that numerous Democratic Senators voted for the war Quote: The group also made a number of contributions to candidates, but only to those candidates who served during the wars in Iraq or Afghanistan. In 2006, out of all the Iraq or Afghanistan veterans running for Congress, VoteVets.org supported all but one of them, who declined their endorsement (Van Taylor, Republican in Texas). Those endorsed candidates were: Patrick Murphy (D-PA), Joe Sestak (D-PA), Tammy Duckworth (D-IL), Sam Schultz (R-IN), Andrew Duck (D-MD), and David Harris (D-TX). The group also supported Tim Walz (D-MN), and Chris Carney (D-PA). Murphy, Sestak, Walz, and Carney were all elected to Congress, and VoteVets.org’s site indicates they have been endorsed for their 2008 reelection. Notice that the only Republican refused their endorsement. VoteVets is a left wing advocacy group composed of veterans who oppose the Iraq War and Republicans in general. They are entitled to their views but they are clearly not an objective non-partisan group. Brian CORRECTION I misread this quote there was one other Republican | | | Last edited: by bbursiek |
| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Posts: 262 |
| Posted: | | | | Quote: McPeak on Display Posted by Robert M. Goldberg on 3.24.08 @ 12:07AM
Last week, Barack Obama's military adviser and national campaign co-chairman Merrill "Tony" McPeak accused former President Bill Clinton of "using divisive tactics and unfairly trying to question Barack Obama's patriotism." McPeak, a former chief of staff of the Air Force, previously supported Howard Dean and then John Kerry. He has campaigned for Obama and cut commercials claiming that Obama has the "right stuff" to be Commander in Chief. His job is to burnish Obama's image as a guy tough enough to be President. So who better to go after Bill Clinton and get the Obama campaign back on offense?
In off-the-cuff remarks to reporters Friday he even compared the former president's comments with the actions of Joseph McCarthy, the 1950s communist-hunting senator.
"I grew up, I was going to college when Joe McCarthy was accusing good Americans of being traitors, so I've had enough of it," McPeak said. And last month McPeak had to retract his statement that as president, Obama would not be reduced to "crying fits" like Mrs. Clinton
Well, it is likely that Obama will soon be having to retract Merrill McPeak. McPeak, who was arrested last year for driving under the influence, apparently has a problem controlling more than his thirst for fermented beverages. He also has a penchant for bashing Israel or, more particularly, Jews who oppose negotiating with terrorists.
McPeak has a long history of criticizing Israel for not going back to the 1967 borders as part of any peace agreement with Arab states. In 1976 McPeak wrote an article for Foreign Affairs magazine questioning Israel's insistence on holding on to the Golan Heights and parts of the West Bank.
In recent years McPeak has echoed the Mearsheimer-Walt view that American Middle East policy is being controlled by Jews at the expense of America's interests in the region. In a 2003 interview with the Oregonian, McPeak complained of that the "lack of playbook for getting Israelis and Palestinians together at...something other than a peace process....We need to get it fixed and only we have the authority with both sides to move them towards that. Everybody knows that."
The interviewer asked McPeak: "So where's the problem? State? White House?"
McPeak replied: "New York City. Miami. We have a large vote -- vote, here in favor of Israel. And no politician wants to run against it."
Translation (as if it's needed): Jews -- who put Israel over every American interest -- control America's policy on the Middle East. And McPeak has the audacity to accuse Bill Clinton of McCarthyism.
McPeak also claims that a combination of Jews and Christian Zionists are manipulating U.S. policy in Iraq in dangerous and radical ways: "Let's say that one of your abiding concerns is the security of Israel as opposed to a purely American self-interest, then it would make sense to build a dozen or so bases in Iraq. Let's say you are a born-again Christian and you think that Armageddon and the rapture are about to happen any minute and what you want to do is retrace steps you think are laid out in Revelations, then it makes sense. So there are a number of scenarios here that could lead you in this direction. This is radical...."
McPeak also noted: "The secret of the neoconservative movement is that it's not conservative, it's radical. Guys like me, who are conservatives, are upset about these neocons calling themselves conservative when they're so radical."
Guys like McPeak are upset because they think Jews have too much influence.
McPeak (in his Oregonian interview) also equated terrorist organizations with neoconservative supporters for Israel:
Interviewer: "Do you think...there's an element within Hamas, Hezbollah, that doesn't want Israel to exist at all and always will be there?"
McPeak: "Absolutely."
Interviewer: "So this is -- this is multilateral."
Instead of discussing Hamas and Hezbollah, McPeak returns to his primary target: Christian and Jews who support Israel:
McPeak: "There's an element in Oregon [sic], you know, that's always going to be radical in some pernicious way, and likely to clothe it in religious garments, so it makes it harder to attack. So there's craziness all over the place. I think there is enough good will on the Israeli side -- I've spent a lot of time in Israel, worked at one time very closely with the Israeli air force as a junior officer, and so -- but that's maybe the more cosmopolitan, liberal version of the Israeli population."
In other words, American policy is the product of "religious Jews and neocons" who in McPeak's mind are just as much to blame for a lack of peace in the Middle East as are Hamas and Hezbollah.
It will be interesting to see how the Obama campaign formulates what should be its latest disavowal and dismissal of yet another anti-Israel and anti-Jewish "adviser."
McPeak's comments are worse than McCarthyism. They reflect the views of Reverend Wright and other Obama advisers who believe that Israel is just a problem to be solved, not an ally to support.
McPeak is not the only member of the Obama campaign who holds such twisted views. Others such as Robert Malley or Zbigniew Brzezinski have found themselves downgraded to "informal" advisers as their anti-Israel views are made public. Samantha Powers was dismissed for calling Hillary a monster, not for sharing McPeak's belief in the malign omnipotence of the "Israel lobby."
Obama has a Jewish problem and McPeak's bigoted views are emblematic of what they are. Obama can issue all the boilerplate statements supporting Israel's right to defend itself he wants. But until he accepts responsibility for allowing people like McPeak so close to his quest for the presidency, Obama's sincerity and judgment will remain open questions. This guy seems like an anti-Semite despite his response Rico mentioned that is on wikipedia. He doesn't address the quotes about "Jews" in New York and Miami controlling US Policy -- this is right out of the anit-Semite handbook -- Jews control the State (Hitler used similar arguments in 1920s-1930s Germany. He has a great record as an American military man but these comments disturb me greatly. Brian |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Skip I AM JOE | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Posts: 262 |
| Posted: | | | | I want to thank Ken, Dan, & Unicus for their thoughtful and kind words about my posts.
Brian | | | Last edited: by bbursiek |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,394 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Rico: Quote: KDH1949 - Do you like football? You seem to be the type, after the whistle is blown (play is over) that likes to pile on! If you have questions for me, I'll be happy to respond directly to you. Apparently you think it is fine to psychoanalize me, but when someone criticizes you (about your views on women in the "Tate vs Palin" thread) you get all upset. That is typical behaviour of someone of the leftist persuasion. Attack at will but when attacked play the victim. Boo hoo! PS. Don't worry about me "piling on" anymore. I will not deal directly with someone who refuses to treat people the way he demands to be treated. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole) Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges. DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Posts: 374 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote: That is typical behaviour of someone of the leftist persuasion. Another IMO illegitimate generalization that actually doesn't help if the goal is to have a civilized discussion. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Why, Joe. You can call me a conservative or rightist, you won't upset me, it's accurate. Ken is absolutely correct and I don't understand why liberals hate being called leftist or liberal, it's their political philosophy...are they ashamed of it, I can see why they would be but...
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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