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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 275 |
| | Posted: | | | | The New rules exclude adding Episode Overviews in the child profiles. To me that is really kind of dumb if your going to go to disk level profiles. The is no exception allowed for in the rules
Complete Series/Season & Anthologies of Episodes - A simple list of Episodes may also be added to the standard overview. Do not add episode synopses to the overview field, but these can be added to the local non-contributed “Notes” field. |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't understand the problem - episode synopses have never been allowed for as long as I can remember. This isn't something new.
If each disc is in it's own case, and that case has some synopses printed on the back cover as part of the overview, then as I read the rules, that would be allowed (as it's on the back cover), you're just not allowed to add your own or one from a booklet. |
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| Registered: May 8, 2007 |  Posts: 270 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
I don't understand the problem - episode synopses have never been allowed for as long as I can remember. This isn't something new.
If each disc is in it's own case, and that case has some synopses printed on the back cover as part of the overview, then as I read the rules, that would be allowed (as it's on the back cover), you're just not allowed to add your own or one from a booklet. Yes, each case has the synopses printed on the back cover and only the synopses, but that is what they are "synopses", not overviews. (Wanted: Dead or Alive) is what sparked this thread. | | | Jim
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 275 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
I don't understand the problem - episode synopses have never been allowed for as long as I can remember. This isn't something new.
If each disc is in it's own case, and that case has some synopses printed on the back cover as part of the overview, then as I read the rules, that would be allowed (as it's on the back cover), you're just not allowed to add your own or one from a booklet. It has been going on sense Child Profiles were added to the system, at least Two years. They have always been allowed. The problem is now with almost 2000 child profiles, its going to be a lot of work contributing the correct data to conform to the NEW rules. I'm sure there will be a lot of bitching about it too. Including the ones in you collection. Larry |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 275 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting eaglejd: Quote:
Quoting northbloke:
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I don't understand the problem - episode synopses have never been allowed for as long as I can remember. This isn't something new.
If each disc is in it's own case, and that case has some synopses printed on the back cover as part of the overview, then as I read the rules, that would be allowed (as it's on the back cover), you're just not allowed to add your own or one from a booklet.
Yes, each case has the synopses printed on the back cover and only the synopses, but that is what they are "synopses", not overviews. (Wanted: Dead or Alive) is what sparked this thread. Contribution have been withdrawn |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 275 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting eaglejd: Quote:
Yes, each case has the synopses printed on the back cover and only the synopses, but that is what they are "synopses", not overviews. (Wanted: Dead or Alive) is what sparked this thread. What the difference be the two? The past 30 days I've submitted 84 child profiles the same way and none of the had a NO vote and all were approved |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting LDH: Quote:
It has been going on sense Child Profiles were added to the system, at least Two years. They have always been allowed.
The problem is now with almost 2000 child profiles, its going to be a lot of work contributing the correct data to conform to the NEW rules. I'm sure there will be a lot of bitching about it too. Including the ones in you collection.
Larry North is correct. For a while, child profiles were not addressed in the rules so people were submitting them any way they wanted. Once they were added to the rules, it turns out some people were doing it right and others were not. It is the risk one takes when they contribute based on 'forum agreements'. Quote:
The past 30 days I've submitted 84 child profiles the same way and none of the had a NO vote and all were approved This happens a lot. Some voters don't care and vote yes on anything. You just happened to hit on a title that had voters that cared and payed attention. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 275 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting LDH:
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It has been going on sense Child Profiles were added to the system, at least Two years. They have always been allowed.
The problem is now with almost 2000 child profiles, its going to be a lot of work contributing the correct data to conform to the NEW rules. I'm sure there will be a lot of bitching about it too. Including the ones in you collection.
Larry
North is correct. For a while, child profiles were not addressed in the rules so people were submitting them any way they wanted. Once they were added to the rules, it turns out some people were doing it right and others were not. It is the risk one takes when they contribute based on 'forum agreements'.
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The past 30 days I've submitted 84 child profiles the same way and none of the had a NO vote and all were approved
This happens a lot. Some voters don't care and vote yes on anything. You just happened to hit on a title that had voters that cared and payed attention. Like I said a couple post before, I withdrew the contribution, and all others that were waiting for approval. I will start re-contributing and removing all the child profiles I've submitted correcting my errors. Does seem funny the one that voted No and that North both have child profiles in there online collection with Episode Overviews in them. Don't have to say it!!!!!!!! I know you can do what you want in your own collection. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Actually in the TV Series rules in the disc level profiles it says... Quote:
. Create each of these individual profiles in line with the standard Contribution Rules with one exception - Cover Images. If a disc, or set of discs, have their own case, use the cover images from that case. You use the standard rules for the child profiles... not the tv series rules... which says take from back of case... so if they are in say thinpaks or what have you with episode synopsis on the back of the case it is perfectly within the rules to use. In my opinion even in digipaks since the disc is in the inside case that is the case you would take the overviews from. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,741 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
You use the standard rules for the child profiles... not the tv series rules... which says take from back of case... so if they are in say thinpaks or what have you with episode synopsis on the back of the case it is perfectly within the rules to use. In my opinion even in digipaks since the disc is in the inside case that is the case you would take the overviews from. I couldn't agree more! |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yeah, I agree with Tim and Pete - if there are synopses actually printed on the back of the cover of whatever contains the disc in question, then that is allowed as per the rules.
However, I don't have this Dead or Alive thing so I have no idea if this followed the rules or not. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 775 |
| | Posted: | | | | With boxes of thinpaks in particular, if the thinpak's cover art is that which should be assigned to the child profile, why wouldn't that also be where the overview comes from? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 775 |
| | Posted: | | | | Y'know, looking at it closer, what exactly has changed here? I can't see any rules that have changedin the 12th of October update that affects any of this. A child profile to a DVD set surely only applies to the episodes on that disc? To fit with the rule, this would only include the four or however many episodes on that disc. Even if it's a digipak rather than individual thins, the contents of the disc are split in the same way. If there's no thinpak to take the overview from but there is a booklet, let's say, then why shouldn't those be used? The overview from the rear of the outer pack wouldn't be appropriate as that would apply to the entire season, not just the four episodes in our example disc.
The rule says that "a simple episode list may be added to the standard overview". Well, there is no standard overview for this child profile. Therefore for the overview we revert to the regular overview rules, which include "When there is no overview on the case, add a simple, self-written overview of 1-2 paragraphs." Well, in this example we don't even need to do that, we can include the official synopses from the booklet, or maybe a panel of the digipak, depends what you have to work with. It's neat, it's tidy, it violates nothing, and it's more informative and accurate than just adding the outer case's overview with just the four or so episode titles at the bottom. | | | | Last edited: by Nadja |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,295 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Yeah, I agree with Tim and Pete - if there are synopses actually printed on the back of the cover of whatever contains the disc in question, then that is allowed as per the rules. FWIW I'm another in full agreement - the rule says not to ADD synopses, it says nothing about removing them if they are there. | | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Add me to the agreement.
The Rules say to use the "standard contribution rules" for child profiles. It says nothing about excluding episode synopses in that section. And if the child discs are in a "digipak", any information on the "digipak" that provides an "overview" of the contents of the child disc in question, should be allowed.
Furthermore, if there is nothing on the "digipak", then the "standard contribution rules" say that you can add a self-written overview.
I have no problem with using booklets or the DVD menus themselves (in the case of the Alfred Hitchcock Presents: Season 1" set) to enter overview information for child profiles. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Now I'm confused. If you don't use the text from the back of the THINpak covers (read Episode sunopses) for the child overview, what would you show?
These synopses seldom give any spoilers, so what is the problem? The overview from the Parent profile shows the text from the cover, too.
I don't see anythng in the rules, new or old, that would prevent showing these episode synopses - or using the booklet data for digipak sets. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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