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Global Warming
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorm.cellophane
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Apparently this is a pretty popular video on YouTube (which I read about here):


Do you choose Column A or Column B?
...James

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He mentioned "added Bonus Features" for column B|True... On a DVD board people may tend to choose that option

Still voted for column A though...
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There is only one option to choose and that's is column A. Because we (as people) already spending money 'to save the planet'. For example the Kyoto-protocol.
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I always find these arguments pretty pointless. He's absolutely right in that it is totally irrelevant as to what causes global warning, as it's pretty well understood that it is happening - does it really matter to what extent it's us causing it?

There are several well researched factors that affect global climate, and extensive research shows a cyclic process involved in most of them. Some of these cycles are only a few hundred years, some are hundreds of thousands, some are semi-random. They happen - there's little debating on it. We're also in a period of more extreme 'natural' global warning according to the cycle, and statistically overdue for several of the semi-random factors. I.e. human intervention or not, there's going to be climactic change.

Really, it's necessary to prepare for the inevitable as failing to do so invites catastrophe.

You can take a lot of the arguments about CO2 emissions out of the equation when it comes to global warming, simply because economic factors will dictate the need to change this. The way I see those arguments is that the country that solves that problem first has the potential to profit significantly in the long term as non-sustainable resources continue to rise in price.

It's not about preventing what may or may not happen, it's about managing what WILL happen.

Stuart

P.S. This is just one of the many ways I learned that the world-as-we-know-it could end as part of my physics degree - I always find it amusing that people worry about the wrong things. One of my personal favourite death scenarios is galactic undulation.
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Well said, Stuart. The cause is irrelevant, IF it is indeed happening and THAT is questionable as to whether we are seeing a dramatic climate change OR a cycle. Every planet in the solar system is undergoing the exact same phenomenon at the present time. However, instead of trying to figure out how to stop it, which is pretty arrogant on the part of mankind...mother nature is a whole lot bigger and more powerful than we are; we should be trying to figure out HOW to survive it. Don't forget it was only 30 years ago that we were being about the dangers of global cooling, and WE were causing that as well.

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I agree that whether or not we are a major contributing factor to the global warming is of less importance. Whatever the reasons, it makes sense if we learned to use the ressources around us a bit more modestly and stopped polluting so much. Because, like it or not, it's a FACT that pollution caused by humans kill humans, animal life and habitats all over the world, on land and in the sea. If driving cars that pollute less, using fewer chemicals etc can help solve that, I'm in. And as long as we're told that global warming is caused by man, I say let's do whatever we can to bring down the Co2 emmisions - what's the harm? NONE!

What can cause harm is us doing nothing if we could have done something. This is pretty much a nobrainer to me. We have nothing to loose and everything to gain.
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Hi Guys,

Yes "A" is the only correct answer.

Destined to become a novelty. See: Here

Will hasten mans impact on climate. See: Here

Take Care
Rico
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Definitely Column A and one of the reasons I hope the democrats will be able to deliver the next president.
Martin Zuidervliet

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I don't want to get into politics, Martin. But DON't count on it for a whole host of reasons which I don't wish to get into. But to put it bluntly the Democrat Party in the US is a racist party that has based its entire existence for the last 70 years on lying to the American public, with great success. I have activel watched it and worked against it for the last 40+ years, and the current crop of candidates from that party are simply far too dangerous to be allowed anywhere near the WH. to give details woul result in a doictoral theisi which would be far too long and boring for a "fun" forum.

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Quoting skipnet50:
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I don't want to get into politics, Martin. But DON't count on it for a whole host of reasons which I don't wish to get into. But to put it bluntly the Democrat Party in the US is a racist party that has based its entire existence for the last 70 years on lying to the American public, with great success. I have activel watched it and worked against it for the last 40+ years, and the current crop of candidates from that party are simply far too dangerous to be allowed anywhere near the WH. to give details woul result in a doictoral theisi which would be far too long and boring for a "fun" forum.

Skip



Skip, I couldn't agree with you more, It's really a scarry feeling to think what could happen.  


Larry
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There is a flaw in his logic, and it's pretty easy to see.  Using a analogy: What is the liability limit of your car insurance?  Is it $1 trillion?  By his logic it has to be, since some day you may completely incapacitate the occupants of a car filled with the 10 richest people on the planet (they were really crammed in there).  He has failed to consider likelihood, which is a factor in this, as it is in car insurance.  You select a reasonable amount of insurance and live with the risk that it's not enough.

Taking the analogy further, you must take every conceivable action to prevent a car accident, even those which you believe will have virtually no impact on the danger.  We should therefore all be driving tanks at no more than 2 mph.

Going back to global issues, why not also consider a catastrophic asteroid impact?  That could be far far more impactful to life on our planet and it _could_ happen.  Why not spend every dollar on that issue?  Fit it into his chart and follow his logic.  Higher risk = higher priority.  Unless you consider likelihood.  Both of the disaster and of the chance you can improve the situation.

My opinion on global warming isn't really relevant since I'm not a climatologist, but I do think we need to pay close attention to the issue, spend some money on it, find out the truth, though not at the cost of all other progress.  So, I don't completely disagree with his conclusion, but his logic is severely flawed with no consideration given to likelihoods.
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It really surprises me that there are still people who do not see the climate is changing and think a catastrophy is not going to happen.
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With regard to the whole global warming crisis, who says what the "correct" temperature of the earth should be? There is more diversity of life in a warm climate than a cold one, just look at Antarctica versus the rain forests of South America. Scientists have temperature data for at most 250 years, with very accurate data of less than half that time and talk in tenths of a degree in change. Somehow, they can decide what the average temperature was before the thermometer was even invented. In the April 28, 1975 issue of Newsweek, a full page article titled "The Cooling World" predicted doom and gloom within a few short years if something wasn't done to prevent global cooling. This was based on half-degree changes also. (I will gladly email the pdf of this to anyone interested, just pm)

Has everyone forgotten how the last two hurricane seasons (2006 & 2007) were predicted by these global warming alarmists to be far worse than the 2005 season because of global warming, yet because they were not, they now are naming tropical depressions that used to not even get mentioned.

I can't buy in to all of the doom and gloom scare tactics used by proponents of this theory. Column B says if we do nothing and warming is real that the world will end. The presenter in the video says this could happen in the next 10 to 20 years. Where does that come from and why? Guess what. There is big money in researching the problem. Create enough panic and governments around the world will spend billions to figure out the problem and find a solution. NASA promotes global warming because they are the ones who get to launch weather satellites. There is also big money in selling "solutions" to this problem. Who is benefiting from the banning of incandescent light bulbs? The manufacturers of compact fluorescent. In 40 years, as landfills get full of these mercury containing items, we'll have a new crisis to solve.

He says we must chose column A and if global warming is not real, all we have done is to spend a little money. NO, that's not at all the only thing that's going to happen if everyone jumps on the bandwagon. Yes, we are going to spend money, but the main focus to to force major changes in our way of life, controlled by a bureaucracy of government bone heads or worse yet, a bureaucracy of U.N. bone heads.

Is it possible that the "world" temperature (how ever that is determined) is warming? Yes, it is possible, but to assume that we are causing it requires a huge leap of faith. The main source of global warming is the Sun, and we're not going to be able to do anything about that ever.
Kevin
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I think you pegged it Ken.  Probability HAS to be in the equation when evaluating risk.  Doesn't mean you don't do ANYTHING.  Just means you take measured response relative to the risk and probability and the likelihood that you can impact the outcome.  Nice evaluation.
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Is this an "inconvenient" place to plug the following docu?   Again only "one man's opinion," basically, but an interesting one...

Erik

"Has it ever occurred to you, man, that given the nature of all this new stuff, that, uh, instead of running around blaming me, that this whole thing might just be, not, you know, not just such a simple, but uh - you know?" -- The Dude, The Big Lebowski

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An inconvenient truth has already been proven as bull by some of the top scientists in the world.  The film is so bad that in some theaters in England there is actually a disclaimer at the beginning, that evidence does not point to the films conclusions. There is one other thing the video leaves out.  I do not have a degree in climatology, but I do possess degrees in both Social Services and Psychology.  I know for a FACT that a GLOBAL DEPRESSION that dwarfs the 1930's will also breed armed conflict that will make WWI and WWII combined look like a picnic.  When people are starving and their children are crying because their bellies are empty, they will do anything for food, including kill their neighbors who they used to be friends with.  All in all, I believe that some investment is necessary and that we need to figure out some solutions.  I do not believe that we need to bankrupt the world economy or dump ever penny into a fund  to fix what may be the natural course of things.
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