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"Amazon.com Tax" approved in NY State |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,911 |
| Posted: | | | | Original story found hereQuote: Bill requires online retailers to collect a sales tax on items purchased by state residents.
It was only a matter of time I guess before one of the states in the Union decided to try and tax the internet. New York State legislators, not alone in a perennial state budget deficit, have decided that the state should start requiring online retailers to collect the sales tax on items they ship there.
Dubbed the "Amazon Tax," the bill is now awaiting the signature of the new governor David Patterson. Considering that he's a Democrat a signature is most likely a mere formality.
"This is a first step - but a critical one - in our ongoing battle to level the sales tax playing field between New York retailers and the out-of-state Internet giants that have, for years, capitalized on an unfair and unintended competitive advantage driven solely by tax policy," said James Sherin, president and CEO of the Retail Council of New York.
Considering that Amazon is really just a huge online Wal-Mart, minus the $2 polos of course, is there really even a retailer playing field left anymore that Wal-Mart hasn't paved?
For its part the state Business Council has voiced its displeasure with the legislation.
"Albany invented the Amazon.com tax because they failed to cut spending," said the council's Heather Briccetti. "As long as they don't recognize the economic reality and continue to increase state spending, they'll keep inventing new taxes like this one."
Amazon plans to fight any plan to make it potentially raise its prices by 8% for NY state customers. The state counters that it and other online retailers could face audits and bills for back taxes going back years unless they agree to start collecting sales tax for the state by June 1.
Either way, the matter won't be settled any time soon. | | | Signature banned: Reason out of date... |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | It's New York...are you surprised. I would have been more surprised if new York had said we collect enough taxes already...no more.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 4,596 |
| Posted: | | | | There goes the neighborhood. California, undoubtably will be right around the corner...money grubbing bastards . | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Posts: 1,982 |
| Posted: | | | | Sorry but what's the big deal? The taxes (federal and provincial) are apply here for all our internet purchase on Canadian website. I understand that's not really great, but it's not the end of the world. Sorry if my answer isn't popular |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,777 |
| Posted: | | | | Ironically, the local retailers have a legitimate beef. I can't speak for anyone else, but if I can score free shippinig ala deepdiscount, I'm a fool to shop local when the prices are competitive. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | midnit:
I won't disagree with the argument of the brick and mortar operators. I will however, argue the concep oif additional taxes. In my state as in MOST states we have multi-layers of taxes, not to mention the multi-layered federal taxes. I am opposed to multiple taxation on the same dollars which is what we have. The reason for setting up mutl-layers of taxes is to keep the populace , as a whole, sedated. Were the Feds and the States HONEST with us and they each had ONE level of tax (income stream) and people were honestly told that they were paying total taxes approaching 50-60% of their income level...well there would be a revolt in the land. Instead they take little bites here and anther one there to get the money they want to operate, notice I said WANT not NEED.
We recently had hearings on Oil Industry profilts where the Oil execs were raked over the coals and accused of price gouging. Now I ask you, Exxon, for example, pays income taxes in excess of 20 Billion Dollars and their after tax profit is 6 cents per gallon, while the federal government receives 18 cents per gallon, and the states receive another 30 cents per gallon (on average). WHO is doing the profiteering?
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,917 |
| Posted: | | | | I live near Seattle and since most of the big websites call WA home, I already get taxed. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,796 |
| Posted: | | | | I remember when tax on started, they had to figure the sales before taxes like excess tax, etc. Today when you pay sales tax you are paying a tax on all the taxes that came before From time to time I an article on this. Inheritance tax is a good example, it has eliminated the family farmer. Big co-ops bought them out. We used to feed the world, now we can't even feed ourselves. We import half our food. I get a kick out all these environmentalists complaining about the use of pesticides, they don't realize that food imported is full of them. A Texas University professor studies this, his classes can tell you what country any of the fruits and vegetables come fromby analizing them. NAFTA allowed the chemical companies dump the all over the third world countries. Most of laws where tax and money is involved are written the lawyers from big business. Hell most of our politicians couldn't understand the laws they vote even if they read them. Check out the guy from Boston R rate for language.. | | | We don't need stinkin' IMDB's errors, we make our own. Ineptocracy, You got to love it. "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | They can read???? Not the ones I know. Some can barely write. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,730 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting NewEnglander: Quote: Considering that Amazon is really just a huge online Wal-Mart, minus the $2 polos of course, is there really even a retailer playing field left anymore that Wal-Mart hasn't paved? Wal-Mart withdrew from the German market last year. So I guess this makes it a "Yes". Concerning the "multi-layered-taxes" that Skip mentionend: the former "Ministerpräsident" (Governor) of Bavaria once said that if taxes raise above a level of 50% that would mean communism. When you're adding up all consumers taxes (income tax (average 30%), sales tax (19%), etc) you'll get an average tax level of 52% => Hooray: Germany is a communist country! | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up! But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,777 |
| Posted: | | | | Well, we can discuss taxes all day long and I'll be stunned if anyone suggests that their's are too low. Meanwhile, it looks like the genie is getting out of the bottle for online sales. I hope it's a while before it drifts my way, but I always knew I was dodging a bullet. | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Posts: 366 |
| Posted: | | | | That's an interesting article. However, it is the consumer's responsibility to pay sales tax, not the businesses. A business just collects it from the consumer on behalf of the state. If you have no presence in the state, it cannot force the business to collect the sales tax.
In addition, there is just to much burden on the business to collect and remit sales tax to every sales tax agency. There's 50 states, and some states have multiple tax rates depending on the county or municipality.
I run two businesses on my own, so I'm aware of how much time dealing with sales tax takes. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,796 |
| Posted: | | | | When did you ever hear a politician talk about reducing the size of or overhead in government?
Reagan a little, it's almost impossible get rid of a civil service employer, no matter incompetent.
Why are government employees called sea gulls?
When did a government ever admit to a mistake?
How many things are classified as secret just to cover up screw ups?
I spent half my working life, (when I turned 14 my father said go get a job or I'll get one for you) working some way or other with government contracts.
Nothing scares more than the government, more than cancer, at least caner has cause.
After I finished the program at SAC, they offered me a job to do the same thing for PAC, (US Navy). They said write down a figure. I just left, I was scared that would accept my conditions no matter how outrageous. | | | We don't need stinkin' IMDB's errors, we make our own. Ineptocracy, You got to love it. "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln |
| Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,621 |
| Posted: | | | | I'm pretty sure here in Michigan I'm supposed to claim everything I buy online so I can pay the 6% sales tax on it at years end. Not sure if that bill passed, but our biacth of a governer was all about it. Just what we need. 7.2% unemployeed, no jobs for those who want them, gas prices nearing $4 a gallon and they want more taxes. My state is happy funtimeing dying under Granholm. Her new solution? Go to the Middle East and try to convinve companies there to come set up shop here (seriouslly, it was on the news last night). While I kinda get a kick out of the reverse outsourcing attempt, I'm not sure the Middle East is the place to go for this plan. She already rode the car companies out, made Google back out of setting up here, drove Phizer and even Michigan based bank Comerica out. This is just in the last 4 years, if she gets re-elected I'm moving out too. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,394 |
| Posted: | | | | @skip and other Maryland users: I hope Governor O'Malley or the legislature don't get any ideas. It was bad enough they increased the sales tax by 20%. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole) Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges. DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 | | | Last edited: by kdh1949 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Ken:
Memo: Governor O'Malley Go ahead make my day.
Do you feel lucky...punk.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
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