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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | [Edit start] Of course this is not for all actors/crew members without Birth Year. Just for those which have another with the same name with BY. (Sorry if the thread title sounds wrong.  ) [Edit End]As I'm going through my database to add more headshots, I always see actors which need a BY. If I can I include it. Often for the second person a Birth Year can't be found. If I remember correct, DVDP links, if just one actor with this name is in database, all profiles to this person, no matter if it is with or without BY. Locally I add the ? pic to those second persons without BY, if I can't find an correct headshot. Should I include these actors also into my Headshot contributions? This would have the benifit, when getting an actor with BY from a headshot update, the second would be also included. Because I do notes for headshots with (accepted) Birth Years, it would be easy and I would provide the information which ? headshots would be included. (So removes can be done locally) Because I want to add my updates also to Dr Kilpatient's Masterdatabase, his opinion could be a reason not to include them, depending if he accepts them. I won't do different updates. | | | | Last edited: by VirusPil |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,946 |
| | Posted: | | | | Personally, I don't care for the ? pictures. In my local DB, I add fake BY's for the 2nd person (9999, 9998 and so on if multiple persons with the same name exist)
If I get ? pictures, it will add another actor with the same name and no BY in my DB. | | | View my collection at http://www.chriskepolis.be/home/dvd.htm
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting cvermeylen: Quote:
Personally, I don't care for the ? pictures. In my local DB, I add fake BY's for the 2nd person (9999, 9998 and so on if multiple persons with the same name exist)
... Also thought about this, because many users do it as this. Perhaps someone can help with a question to this: If I have these in my database John Smith (1946) John Smith (9999) John Smith (9998) If I download a profile with a John Smith without BY online, to which will it be linked? Will it add a new one without BY? Thanks in advance. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 906 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think Ken once said that it would be assigned to the person with the lowest birth year, in this case, 1946. | | | 
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting reybr: Quote:
I think Ken once said that it would be assigned to the person with the lowest birth year, in this case, 1946. Thanks.  Logical consequence of this would be, to add for actors without known BY a fake BY below the known Birth Years, e.g. 1000, 1001. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,946 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well, I just did a test, and there is no linking to the lowest BY.
I took an actor. Gave him a BY of 9999. Then duplicated the actor with BY of 9998 and 1000.
I then created a headshot database containing the same actor without BY.
After the restore I wound up with:
* 9999
* 9998
* 1000
* No BY | | | View my collection at http://www.chriskepolis.be/home/dvd.htm
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting cvermeylen: Quote:
Well, I just did a test, and there is no linking to the lowest BY.
I took an actor. Gave him a BY of 9999. Then duplicated the actor with BY of 9998 and 1000.
I then created a headshot database containing the same actor without BY.
After the restore I wound up with:
* 9999
* 9998
* 1000
* No BY Oops, sorry if I confused you, because my question was off topic. The habit you explained is for the headshots. And this is what you expected. (And me also) But thanks for checking. My question has nothing to do with headshots (at first time). I'll try to explain again, perhaps you've got experience with this: If I got an actor with and one without BY in database. For example Johr Smith (1945) and John Smith. Now I do a download of a profile which has (correctly) Johr Smith without BY in it, local the actor in this profile should link to the John Smith without BY in my database. But if I add a fake Birth Year to the John Smith without BY, he is in my local for example John Smith (9999). If I do now a download of an online profile with John Smith without BY, does it link to the 9999 or the 1945 or does DVDP add a new John Smith with no Birth Year to my local database?? I hope I explained better this time. (Again: Sorry ) |
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| Registered: February 23, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,580 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm not sure but I think DVDP adds another actor with no BY and doesn't automatically link in the case VirusPil explained.
So that means effectively if you want the downloaded profile to link correctly, you can't add a fictional BY or you need to switch that actor after downloading the profile. I usually don't add a fictional BY unless I really, really have to.
To answer the poll, personally I wouldn't add those to the headhshot sharing as it doesn't really serve a purpose. | | | Blu-ray collection
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Fictional birthyear entries will simply add extra cast and crew that will not link to anybodies profiles. These entries will just sit in people's database and take up space. It's a nice idea, but we would all need to agree to use the same fictional birthyear for a given person in order for it to be useful and something like that isn't being coordinated at this point. | | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think I've to test it by myself. Will let you know what the pros an cons of the different versions are. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,946 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote:
If I got an actor with and one without BY in database. For example Johr Smith (1945) and John Smith.
Now I do a download of a profile which has (correctly) Johr Smith without BY in it, local the actor in this profile should link to the John Smith without BY in my database.
But if I add a fake Birth Year to the John Smith without BY, he is in my local for example John Smith (9999).
If I do now a download of an online profile with John Smith without BY, does it link to the 9999 or the 1945 or does DVDP add a new John Smith with no Birth Year to my local database??
I hope I explained better this time. (Again: Sorry ) If you download a new profile, it will probably create a new actor without a BY. If you update a profile, and your local profile has an actor with a fake BY, it will remain that actor in your profile, even if the online has no BY. | | | View my collection at http://www.chriskepolis.be/home/dvd.htm
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| Registered: April 14, 2007 |  Posts: 415 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting cvermeylen: Quote:
Quoting VirusPil:
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If I got an actor with and one without BY in database. For example Johr Smith (1945) and John Smith.
Now I do a download of a profile which has (correctly) Johr Smith without BY in it, local the actor in this profile should link to the John Smith without BY in my database.
But if I add a fake Birth Year to the John Smith without BY, he is in my local for example John Smith (9999).
If I do now a download of an online profile with John Smith without BY, does it link to the 9999 or the 1945 or does DVDP add a new John Smith with no Birth Year to my local database??
I hope I explained better this time. (Again: Sorry )
If you download a new profile, it will probably create a new actor without a BY.
If you update a profile, and your local profile has an actor with a fake BY, it will remain that actor in your profile, even if the online has no BY. I believe if you download a new profile, it will use the actor with the lowest BY in your local db. |
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Taro: Quote:
I usually don't add a fictional BY unless I really, really have to. Unfortunately, you always "really, really have to". Explanation here. |
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting Taro:
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I usually don't add a fictional BY unless I really, really have to.
Unfortunately, you always "really, really have to". Explanation here.  Read your post this mornig and would have also make a link to it. |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting Taro:
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I usually don't add a fictional BY unless I really, really have to.
Unfortunately, you always "really, really have to". Explanation here. I agree. We are really obliged to add fake BY when unknown unless you'll loose all your correct linking. | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | As promised, some testings:
(the parts with one actor = local. the parts with adding profile = online)
- one actor without BY + adding profile with BY: The actor gets the BY added
- one actor with BY + adding profile without BY: The actor in profile gets linked to the BY actor, no new actor will be added
These should be clear:
- one actor with BY + one actor without BY + adding profile without BY: Profile gets linked to the actor without BY
- one actor with BY + one actor without BY + adding profile with BY: Profile gets linked to the actor with BY
- one actor with BY + one actor with fictional BY + adding profile without BY: Profile gets linked to the actor with lower/lowest BY
- one actor with BY + one actor with fictional BY + one actor without BY + adding profile without BY: Profile gets linked to the actor without BY
These should also apply if there are more than one BY or more than one actor:
- one actor with fictional BY + adding profile with BY: New actor with BY will be added.
- one actor with fictional BY + one actor without BY + adding profile with BY: The actor without BY gets the new BY added | | | | Last edited: by VirusPil |
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