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Disk Defrag? Do You Use em?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantFloorwalker
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Does anyone here use disc defraggers on a regular basis?  Do you see any benefits?  What ones do you use?
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It isn't really worth the hassle
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Win7 has an integrated Defraggler, which is doing quite a good job.

All in all, I do agree with DJ on this topic. The improvement in the access-rate is barely measurable on modern HDDs.
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most of my system does not require defrag (SSD for OS and RAID for full storage) -

however I do use one standard drive as an "inbox" of sorts for downloads and file creation... I use the built in Win7 defrag to keep that drive in tip top shape.
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I use it once in a while on my data hard drive – but never on my SSD hard drive, since that would actually harm the disc. "Trim" is used on the SSD though.
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Agree with the other techs. Not worth the hassle.

On my Windows 95 machine I did use it more often. The hard drive was small with drastically slower seek time from these today, so any slow down was more drastic and defrag did appear to be helpful. Even when I moved up to an XP system (had that system for 8 years before the click of death took the primary drive) it didn't seem nearly as helpful. Today it's moving closer ot all but pointless.
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I have over 18,000 profiles and a profiler backup file is around 23g. I backup to an external drive and keep two backup copies on two separate external drives. i used keep high res cover images, but now I just keep what Invelos calls high-res cover images.

When start-up time got to over 3  to 4 minutes I started looking for faster and better way to defrag my system.
Using the standard win7 defrag doesn't make a lot of difference.

I use a defrag that you can define zones. In other words the certain files are placed zones. You can use Their standard setup and/or user defined zones. The difference in Invelos Profiler start-up s 90 to 120 seconds against over 240 seconds using Microsoft's defrag.

It has 3 modes a quick , optimize, and complete optimize.
The complete optimize packs the packs the files, leaves no spaces for file expansion. This mode has the poorest system load time.

I use the quick because leaves things loose and only takes a couple of minutes.. With that I also ran a program that gets rid of so-called system clutter. Be careful which program you use for this it can get rid of of something you use.

At one time I've had over a million files my system, now I periodically move files off the system disc that I don't use regularly to a removable disc, a 2T my book which is partitioned to do its normal backup function and as a save area.

I remember several ears ago Honeywell used to have visiting professors teach courses in plant. A professor from University of California, Berkeley taught a class on paging and disc allocation, etc. Six hours a day or a couple of weeks, you talk about boring. Results, it seemed to me unless you a can provide some heuristics to the equation all the methods were a toss up.
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While not as heavily into it as Srehtims, I too agree that fragmentation, especially of large files is something that needs correcting. Since a lot of apps these days don't care about disk space and it's becoming more common to see very large files associated with them, I use a simple free defrag utility (MyDefrag). The default Windows Defrag is pretty much useless, and always has been - even when they bought out that mob (can't remember the name) and incorporated it into WinXP.

My Win7 machine runs WD Velociraptor drives and I do notice speed differences in applications that have large files - once defrag'd.

*wonders if "Defrag'd" is actually a word...... sounds like something out of Battlestar Galactica
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Thanks for your replies.  They have been helpful.  I have both an XP system 2 Win7 systems.  I think I might try one of the free utilities for the XP system.
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Most of these Freeware-solutions are more of the religious kind.
Means: You have to believe they actually do something else then shoving pixels over your screen and creating random HDD-access noise.
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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Most of these Freeware-solutions are more of the religious kind.
Means: You have to believe they actually do something else then shoving pixels over your screen and creating random HDD-access noise.


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Not recently. With hard drives getting bigger and faster there is seldom any real need for them. I run TuneUp utilities every now and then and it will defrag when it thinks it needs to, but that almost never happens in Windows 7 which seems to do a decent job by itself.

I remember using an "on-the-fly" defragger some years ago, but that just got annoying after a while since it would constantly chew on the drive, probably wearing it out sooner than needed. And the performance gain was hardly noticable anyway.

If you want to boost your system, it's far more efficient to buy an SSD for the OS and keep the bulk of your data on a separate drive.
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If you want to boost your system, it's far more efficient to buy an SSD for the OS and keep the bulk of your data on a separate drive.


^^ This!

But since especially the "Low-Budget" SSDs have a large variety in quality, I'd recommend to check out for user reviews of the product in question.
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
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Does anyone here use disc defraggers

No.
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Does anyone here use disc defraggers

No.


You have replied incorrectly. Several people here have said that they actually do use defraggers. So the answer to the question if anyone uses them is yes. 
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Windows 7 built-in defragger doesn't really - it won't defragment files above a certain size. There's arguments for & against that. And even then, it only does it if your PC is on at 1am Wednesday morning.

I defrag using Auslogics free defragger which also includes the option to "optimize" your hard drive which moves executables towards the start of the drive.

I'm also old-school where I twitch if my fragmentation percentage is double digits - though I see how high I can get it on my SDD boot/os drive through normal use.
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