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| Registered: April 16, 2009 |  Posts: 141 |
| | Posted: | | | | Oh how I struggle with rejection.
Recently posted some additional info to Gangster Squad UK dvd post (5-051892-123808). "Greyhulk" (the originator of the post) has voted "No" because I changed the Region from 2 & 5 to 2 as per the box.
Reason for "No" vote is because he (assumption) claims to have checked the actual disc for region, not (silly me) just read the box.
However m'lud (English expression for da judge) his original post states "Release information from various e-tailers" not it seems, "except region which is taken direct form the disc".
So...
What to do, my additional info will be rejected perhaps, or Greyhulk will be over-ruled. Suspense aside, it occurs to me that there appears to be no route to challenge a "no vote" in the system.
Perhaps there should be a "right of reply" in the process?
Don't get me wrong (I usually am) and Greyhulk way ahead of me with my simple "normal rating" but.... having bothered to fill in the blanks, often disheartened to be rejected on a single, often minor, technicality. Surely it would be more constructive to let the update pass and then submit a correction at a later date if deemed necessary???
Will copy this to Greyhulk directly.
Hey, sun is shining in England!!! | | | | Gonna jump...gonna jump... |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,637 |
| | Posted: | | | | Maybe I misunderstood your post but it sounds like Greyhulk actually confirmed the Region of the disc to be 2 & 5 where as you're taking the region from the back cover (which isn't always correct). If that is the case then Greyhulk would be correct in voting No. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Why don't you just recontribute without Region info and add to your notes "Regions verified from disc by Greyhulk"? Then you wouldn't contribute incorrect information and Region info would be documented correctly. Simple as that. |
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| Registered: April 16, 2009 | | Posts: 141 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting rdodolak: Quote:
Maybe I misunderstood your post but it sounds like Greyhulk actually confirmed the Region of the disc to be 2 & 5 where as you're taking the region from the back cover (which isn't always correct). If that is the case then Greyhulk would be correct in voting No. No problem in doing so whatsoever, its no big deal however..... Your answer seems to ignore that Greyhulk submitted his original post based on "Release information from various retailers" not, "based upon whatever gismo he has to verify the region of the disc". Don't doubt he has subsequently done so, but why should he not add a subsequent posting fixing the region and stating why rather than rejecting mine and losing the other additional info that I have added? Do I sound bothered? I'm not really but... | | | | Gonna jump...gonna jump... |
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| Registered: April 16, 2009 | | Posts: 141 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote:
Why don't you just recontribute without Region info and add to your notes "Regions verified from disc by Greyhulk"? Then you wouldn't contribute incorrect information and Region info would be documented correctly. Simple as that. No problem in doing so whatsoever, its no big deal however..... Your answer seems to ignore that Greyhulk submitted his original post based on "Release information from various retailers" not, "based upon whatever gismo he has to verify the region of the disc". Don't doubt he has subsequently done so, but why should he not add a subsequent posting fixing the region and stating why rather than rejecting mine and losing the other additional info that I have added? Do I sound bothered? I'm not really but... | | | | Gonna jump...gonna jump... |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,637 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tcremote: Quote:
No problem in doing so whatsoever, its no big deal however.....
Your answer seems to ignore that Greyhulk submitted his original post based on "Release information from various retailers" not, "based upon whatever gismo he has to verify the region of the disc".
Don't doubt he has subsequently done so, but why should he not add a subsequent posting fixing the region and stating why rather than rejecting mine and losing the other additional info that I have added?
Do I sound bothered? I'm not really but... I took a look at his release notes and Greyhulk could have been more specific about were the initial information came from and it would have avoided the current confusion. However, that doesn't mean he didn't verify the region coding of the disc. Personally, I don't change existing info unless I can specifically verify that the current info is incorrect. Only Greyhulk can speak for himself but "Release information from various e-tailers." could simply mean that the release date was taken from various e-tailers and not necessarily the other info such as the region coding. In fact most retailers simply post the region coding as found on the back of the cover. In which case Greyhulk wouldn't have been able to get Region 2 & 5 from said retailers. Even if he verified it after his initial submission had been approved there is no way to add a second contribution note unless he changes something else and contributes those other changes. Quoting Greyhulk: Quote:
New addition. Release information from various e-tailers.
Cover scans are my own. |
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| Registered: November 24, 2008 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,277 |
| | Posted: | | | | I did confirm the Regions (2 & 5) with SlySoft AnyDVD.
As this was an initial contribution I didn't feel it necessary to state this. I will do so in the future, however, if this is causing a problem.
Also, it's not a rejection. Please don't take it that way. A 'no' vote is the way to alert the user to his mistake. If I have made a mistake, I always appreciate being alerted in this manner so I can correct the information and re-contribute. | | | | Last edited: by GreyHulk |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tcremote: Quote:
Do I sound bothered? Actually, yes. Why don't you just recontribute and let it be. Why the fuzz? |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GreyHulk: Quote:
I did confirm the Regions (2 & 5) with SlySoft AnyDVD. You can always "contribute" just contribution notes afterwords. Just contribute any field, no matter what, add contribution notes you wish --> contribute --> withdraw. This way you wont be actually contributing anything, but your contribution notes additions will be added to that profile's contribution notes. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tcremote: Quote:
Quoting Kulju:
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Why don't you just recontribute without Region info and add to your notes "Regions verified from disc by Greyhulk"? Then you wouldn't contribute incorrect information and Region info would be documented correctly. Simple as that.
No problem in doing so whatsoever, its no big deal however.....
Your answer seems to ignore that Greyhulk submitted his original post based on "Release information from various retailers" not, "based upon whatever gismo he has to verify the region of the disc".
Don't doubt he has subsequently done so, but why should he not add a subsequent posting fixing the region and stating why rather than rejecting mine and losing the other additional info that I have added?
Do I sound bothered? I'm not really but... You ask why should he not let your submission go through (with knowingly wrong info since you said you have no doubt he is right)... but I have to think why should the voters vote yes and allow info that is known to be wrong when all you would have to do is resubmit and not check the Regions. There is downsides to do it as you are asking for it to be done... - Takes twice as long to get the complete correct info into the profile - Doubles up the work for contributors, voters and screeners Where if you resubmit without the region change the complete correct info gets into the profile with only the one update. Personally if I had the title in my collection I would have voted no as well. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tcremote: Quote:
Perhaps there should be a "right of reply" in the process? This is implemented already in two ways: 1) Send the voter a PM 2) You can always edit your contribution notes Quoting tcremote: Quote:
why rather than rejecting mine and losing the other additional info that I have added? For a simple reason: It's the whole purpose of the evaluation process to prevent errors from sneaking in. Your additional (possibly correct) info wouldn't be lost if you would handle it the recommended way which is: Immediately Resubmit without the incorrect part (Regions) and thereby overwrite your pending contribution and correct it. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've found that most of the time when someone votes "no" on one of my contributions it is because they are correct.
So, I always double my data, fix any mistakes I've made and resubmit the corrected contribution.
In the rare instance that I disagree with the "no" vote, I send that person a pm. I explain my rationale and ask them to explain why they think I am incorrect in my thinking.
In either case, it is important to not consider votes as a "rejection". The voting process is only meant to help make the database as accurate as possible. | | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lewis_Prothero: Quote:
Quoting tcremote:
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Perhaps there should be a "right of reply" in the process?
This is implemented already in two ways:
1) Send the voter a PM
2) You can always edit your contribution notes
Quoting tcremote:
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why rather than rejecting mine and losing the other additional info that I have added?
For a simple reason:
It's the whole purpose of the evaluation process to prevent errors from sneaking in.
Your additional (possibly correct) info wouldn't be lost if you would handle it the recommended way which is: Immediately Resubmit without the incorrect part (Regions) and thereby overwrite your pending contribution and correct it. Why should he have to resubmit. If there wasn't anything stating that it was checked and had multiple regions in the previous contribution notes then his contribution was correct in the eyes of everyone else that owned it, except Greyhulk who knew it had been checked but not stated in his contribution. Blame falls on Greyhulk. Leave it up as is, if it gets approved let someone else correct the regions with notes. If it doesn't, at least yours is updated and someone else can contribute the rest. Or pull it down and move on. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Personally if I had the title in my collection I would have voted no as well. I would have voted 'yes' based on the fact that there were no previous notes stating the region listed on the case was wrong. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GreyHulk: Quote:
I did confirm the Regions (2 & 5) with SlySoft AnyDVD.
As this was an initial contribution I didn't feel it necessary to state this. I will do so in the future, however, if this is causing a problem. I am curious as to why you didn't feel it necessary to state where you got the data from. Whether it is a new contribution, or a change to an existing contribution, the source for all data should be listed. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
Quoting Lewis_Prothero:
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Quoting tcremote:
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Perhaps there should be a "right of reply" in the process?
This is implemented already in two ways:
1) Send the voter a PM
2) You can always edit your contribution notes
Quoting tcremote:
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why rather than rejecting mine and losing the other additional info that I have added?
For a simple reason:
It's the whole purpose of the evaluation process to prevent errors from sneaking in.
Your additional (possibly correct) info wouldn't be lost if you would handle it the recommended way which is: Immediately Resubmit without the incorrect part (Regions) and thereby overwrite your pending contribution and correct it.
Why should he have to resubmit. If there wasn't anything stating that it was checked and had multiple regions in the previous contribution notes then his contribution was correct in the eyes of everyone else that owned it, except Greyhulk who knew it had been checked but not stated in his contribution. Blame falls on Greyhulk.
Leave it up as is, if it gets approved let someone else correct the regions with notes. If it doesn't, at least yours is updated and someone else can contribute the rest.
Or pull it down and move on. OK, help me understand: We now know that parts of the contribution are incorrect ... and you vote "Yes" hoping that someone sometime will come around to correct this error? Sorry, but this is not how I contribute. If someone points out an error in one of my contributions I either correct the error myself, or if the error was the the only change I contributed, I immediately withdraw. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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